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How could he possibly get any worse than this past year? He got worse as the season went a long toI look forward to this guy getting worse every single year for the duration of his contract. Good times.
How could he possibly get any worse than this past year? He got worse as the season went a long toI look forward to this guy getting worse every single year for the duration of his contract. Good times.
It's only silly if you want to manage the Canucks like a computer game.
In the real world, being able to convince a respected 1 team vet like Beagle to commit 4 years of his life to play hard for your embarrassing tire-fire-that's-been-burning-for-4-years bottom feeder of a team is a fairly significant thing and IMO, signifies a major shift in the right direction for this team.
In the real world, stars like panarin and karlsson don't sign with teams like ours.
Cap management is fine. Cap keeps going up.
Pro scouting is fine (so far). Beagle is an on-ice leader and he plays a hard and heavy game which gives our bottom 6 a good boost in the grit department. He also very rarely takes shifts off.
Yes it is being objective.
Objective: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
Numbers or statistics are facts. Intangibles are feelings.
You're definition seems more like "faith" or "blind faith" you're believing there are intangibles there with no proof that the value is there.
Jay Beagle's on ice contributions are objectively very similar to what Nic Dowd put up here last year, especially at 5 on 5.
Well it seems as though you're more interested in debating semantics.well no. that's completely, utterly and ludicrously wrong. objectivity is not coextensive with empirical measurement. objectivity is the honest fair minded and unbiased assessment of the facts that you perceive, regardless of any subjective beliefs or biases you hold. you don't need a ruler to be objective.
there is a massive chasm between facts that can be measured empirically by a number and the kind of feeling or opinion that would be considered "subjective". inhabiting that chasm are all the facts that reasonably exist but are not readily quantified, aka most of reality. even if you cannot quantify such facts, you must consider and weigh those facts as best you can if you are being objective.
Is this part for real? Any 4th liner would have taken the term and dollar amount for the contract that Beagle got. That's the whole reason he signed here in the first place lol.
Yikes.
A computer game? How about a successful franchise. Show me the teams that were at the bottom who crawled out of it by paying a 33 year old $1m player for $12m with a no-trade clause. If that's what it took to get Beagle here, it shows he's more interested in the $$ than actually doing anything. It's a retirement deal for a player who was never really that good.
What do you mean by in the real world stars don't sign with teams like the Canucks? Show your work.
Cap management is not fine, that's ludicrous.
Pro scouting has been abysmal, you'll have to do more than just throwing out that statement to convince anyone. Hard, heavy, grit are just words people use when you can't come up with actual tangible reasons he's any good. Fact of the matter is, he gets absolutely smashed in the shots and goals rates at 5 on 5. He makes the team worse. And he's got a NTC.
I hate the signing but give me a break. He stands up for a teammate every game. You don’t need to drop the gloves to stand up for your teammates, it’s 2019when's the last time jay beagle stood up for a teammate
he's not even a gritty player and if he was from stockholm he probably would've been out of the league in 2015
not like any of this has anything to do with being good at hockey anyways
We suck because we lack skill not because w overpay our bottom 6. The team has a trash top 6/ top 4.if talking to the opposition in a 4 second scrum counts as standing up for your teammates then literally every player stands up for their teammates and makes jay beagle indistinguishable from everyone else
the reason this team sucks is because we focus on and pay a premium for stupid **** like this for our depth players and the moment we cut them we're going to improve more than expected
I hate the signing but give me a break. He stands up for a teammate every game. You don’t need to drop the gloves to stand up for your teammates, it’s 2019
You are conveniently forgetting that Vancouver is a terrible city, consistently ranked as one of the worst cities in the world . . . oh, wait
Can't pay for a good top 6 if you overpay the bottom 6/3rd pair.We suck because we lack skill not because w overpay our bottom 6. The team has a trash top 6/ top 4.
As I mentioned previously, hate the signing. But is he preventing us from signing Panarin? EK? Don’t think so. At least he is done before we have to resign Hughes/ EliasCan't pay for a good top 6 if you overpay the bottom 6/3rd pair.
As I mentioned previously, hate the signing. But is he preventing us from signing Panarin? EK? Don’t think so. At least he is done before we have to resign Hughes/ Elias
Is there one year overlap? If that’s the case then maybe he will need to be bought out after next seasonThat last part actually isn't true.
A buyout does very little cap space clearing, because it's another garbage Benning signing bonus laden contract like Eriksson's. Beagle alone doesn't keep the team from signing marquee free agents, the countless other overpays on every other contract does.Is there one year overlap? If that’s the case then maybe he will need to be bought out after next season
I agree why does Benning continually give out signing bonuses and make these contracts buyout proof. He's removing a possible solution to get some cap relief if a player doesn't perform to the contract. Just awful cap management.Another dud of a UFA roll of the dice last year by Jimbo. From all reports Beagle is a stand-up guy, but you can't pay $3m season to a three-goal scorer. I don't care how many face-offs he wins, or if he's an inspirational figure in the dressing-room. It's an awful contract with even worse term.
As far as the other two....Roussel was solid for as long as it lasted. But again, $3m and four years is far too long for a third-fourth line winger. The guy missed the first month of the season with lingering concussion issues (he's had a number of them in his career). And now he's gone until at least Xmas of next year with knee surgery.
Finally Schaller....enough said. They're going to have to eat his contract.
So last year a total bust imo. And this year? How much confidence can you really have?
As I mentioned previously, hate the signing. But is he preventing us from signing Panarin? EK? Don’t think so. At least he is done before we have to resign Hughes/ Elias
I think benning should be fired but for slightly different reasons. Although these signings are frustrating I don’t think they are going to cripple the team in the future (Loui being the exception).It doesn't concern you, from a broader level, that management signs bad players to contracts you "hate."
I mean what happens when these contracts actually do matter.
Many would argue these contracts, and the fact Benning is incompetent at negotiating anything more broadly, is the reason he should be fired.
You should fire him before these mistakes actually do matter because by then you're screwed.
It doesn't concern you, from a broader level, that management signs bad players to contracts you "hate."
I mean what happens when these contracts actually do matter.
Many would argue these contracts, and the fact Benning is incompetent at negotiating anything more broadly, is the reason he should be fired.
You should fire him before these mistakes actually do matter because by then you're screwed.