Rumor: Jason Zucker to Calgary "fell through"

[Bazeek]

That's not a trade that fits Treliving's style or philosophy though.

And you apply that logic in the other direction and Frolik + 1st for Zucker makes no sense for Fenton. So we're at an impasse.

 

[ThatGuy22]

That's not a trade that fits Treliving's style or philosophy though.

I don't know much about Treliving, and his style as you're referring to.

But it does seem to me that him switching up his GM style slightly as the GM of the team leading the western conference to shore up for a playoff run is more likely than Fenton trading Zucker for a 1st and whats essentially a cap dump to the Wild. Fenton's made it abundently clear he's got no interest in going out of his way to acquire picks.

Zucker is better than Bennet today. He's a soon to be 4 time 20 goal scorer, and scored 33 last year. On pace for 20 again this year in our extremely anemic offense. I don't think it's a stretch to think a contending GM would make that trade, and it fits in with what Fenton has been trying.

The only other player that makes a bit of sense from the Wild's perspective is Jankowski.

 

[DJJones]

Sounds like Calgary dodged a bullet

Unless it was neal going back anyway. That could be interesting

 

[HighLifeMan]

I don't know much about Treliving, and his style as you're referring to.

But it does seem to me that him switching up his GM style slightly as the GM of the team leading the western conference to shore up for a playoff run is more likely than Fenton trading Zucker for a 1st and whats essentially a cap dump to the Wild. Fenton's made it abundently clear he's got no interest in going out of his way to acquire picks.

Zucker is better than Bennet today. He's a soon to be 4 time 20 goal scorer, and scored 33 last year. On pace for 20 again this year in our extremely anemic offense. I don't think it's a stretch to think a contending GM would make that trade, and it fits in with what Fenton has been trying.

The only other player that makes a bit of sense from the Wild's perspective is Jankowski.

Calgary is not in a position to take on Zucker's 4 more years a 5.5M without one of Frolik or Neal going back. That's just the logistics of the situation. Maybe that's what ultimately stopped the trade from occurring.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

A calgary media member said the deal was "much bigger" than simply Frolik and a 1st. Don't know what that means. I think both sides are happy this one didnt play out.

 

[Bazeek]

A calgary media member said the deal was "much bigger" than simply Frolik and a 1st. Don't know what that means. I think both sides are happy this one didnt play out.

I think Wild fans are way past the point of fretting over ugly trades. Bring it on.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Fenton is the new Benning

Looks like he plans on giving Chia a run for his money on his ability to downgrade the team's assets.

 

[Sparky93]

I don't know much about Treliving, and his style as you're referring to.

But it does seem to me that him switching up his GM style slightly as the GM of the team leading the western conference to shore up for a playoff run is more likely than Fenton trading Zucker for a 1st and whats essentially a cap dump to the Wild. Fenton's made it abundently clear he's got no interest in going out of his way to acquire picks.

Zucker is better than Bennet today. He's a soon to be 4 time 20 goal scorer, and scored 33 last year. On pace for 20 again this year in our extremely anemic offense. I don't think it's a stretch to think a contending GM would make that trade, and it fits in with what Fenton has been trying.

The only other player that makes a bit of sense from the Wild's perspective is Jankowski.

I guess we’ll probably never know. Definitely doesn’t make sense for the Flames to lose 2 roster players, that are producing at a similar pace, for Zucker heading into the playoffs. I would guess the other piece was probably a none roster player/replaceable kid, like Kylington in exchange for some significant retention on Zucker.

 

[57special]

And you apply that logic in the other direction and Frolik + 1st for Zucker makes no sense for Fenton. So we're at an impasse.

Not really. All of Fenton's moves make no sense, so Frolik +1st would make perfect sense.

Does that make sense?

 

[Bazeek]

Not really. All of Fenton's moves make no sense, so Frolik +1st would make perfect sense.

Does that make sense?

I wouldn't say they don't make sense, just that the "value" seems way below expectations for the sorts of deals they were. With Coyle and Granlund in particular though the main piece was a younger player with upside; I'd expect something similar with Zucker if he's traded.

 

[57special]

I wouldn't say they don't make sense, just that the "value" seems way below expectations for the sorts of deals they were. With Coyle and Granlund in particular though the main piece was a younger player with upside; I'd expect something similar with Zucker if he's traded.

He just wants to dump Zucker's salary at this point. Parise, Donato, Fial, Greenway...need I say more?

 

[Sota Popinski]

A calgary media member said the deal was "much bigger" than simply Frolik and a 1st. Don't know what that means. I think both sides are happy this one didnt play out.

Like Wild fans have anything to lose at this point?

 

[Bazeek]

He just wants to dump Zucker's salary at this point. Parise, Donato, Fial, Greenway...need I say more?

I think that's simplistic. Losing salary's a natural consequence of moving 25-27 year olds for 22-24 year olds, but I don't think it was the reason for those trades.

I'm curious to see what actually sunk this trade. Russo mentioned that Fenton was courting other teams for Granlund in case the Fiala deal didn't happen; if Zucker to Calgary was another backup plan it'd be kind of funny if Fenton himself was the one that pulled the plug. It'd explain why Treliving was so mad.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Frolik has been the sixth best forward for the second best team in the NHL.

No he has not. At best he has been the eighth best forward for the second best team in the NHL. His handful of empty-net goals don't put him ahead of anyone. At the very least the two of Sam Bennett and Derek Ryan have been better and more impactful.

And as penalty killers, which is Frolik's primary role, both Jankowski and Hathaway have outplayed him too. Czarnik and Mangiapane are also more valuable to the team although they can't play Frolik's role.

And we would have traded him for a player who is quite a bit better than him in Zucker.

 

[W75]

I think Wild fans are way past the point of fretting over ugly trades. Bring it on.

Yeah, we want more! All the dirty details!

 

[LMFAO]

Zucker for Russell and Puljujarvi make it happen

McDrai on the first line and Zucker-RNH on the second.

 

[ref19]

I don't know much about Treliving, and his style as you're referring to.

But it does seem to me that him switching up his GM style slightly as the GM of the team leading the western conference to shore up for a playoff run is more likely than Fenton trading Zucker for a 1st and whats essentially a cap dump to the Wild. Fenton's made it abundently clear he's got no interest in going out of his way to acquire picks.

Zucker is better than Bennet today. He's a soon to be 4 time 20 goal scorer, and scored 33 last year. On pace for 20 again this year in our extremely anemic offense. I don't think it's a stretch to think a contending GM would make that trade, and it fits in with what Fenton has been trying.

The only other player that makes a bit of sense from the Wild's perspective is Jankowski.

Bennett, Jankowski+ Doesn’t get you Zucker. Fenton has made it abundantly clear he’s going for high skill gamebreakers a la TBL.

 

[Rubi]

Why would the wild need frolik? need centers and RS right wingers and he's 31 not 23.Had to be bennett

Nah..would never be a draft pick + 22 year old Bennett (on pace for 33 pts) for 27 year old Zucker who's on pace to score 40 pts this year. Wouldn't make sense for the Flames.

 

[AKL]

Nah..would never be a draft pick + 22 year old Bennett (on pace for 33 pts) for 27 year old Zucker who's on pace to score 40 pts this year. Wouldn't make sense for the Flames.

You wouldn't trade a third line winger with a career high of 36 points, and on pace for 33 points this year for a guy in his prime coming off a 33 goal, 64 point season signed to a reasonable contract for the next four years?

See, look, I can frame things to fit my narrative too.

 

[Rubi]

You wouldn't trade a third line winger with a career high of 36 points, and on pace for 33 points this year for a guy in his prime coming off a 33 goal, 64 point season signed to a reasonable contract for the next four years?

See, look, I can frame things to fit my narrative too.

Lets compare apples to apples. At 22 Zucker scored 5 pts in 21 games. This translates to 20 pts over an 82 game season. At 23 Zucker scored 26 pts in 51 games which translates to 40 pts in 82 games. At 24 Zucker declined to 23 pts in 71 games which translates to a 27 pt season. At 25 Zucker scored 47 pts in 79 games. At 26 he finally got his shit together and scored 64 pts in 82 games. This year his game has declined once again. Last year was the exception not the norm.

At 22 Bennett is almost as good, scoring wise, and better otherwise than a 27 year old Zucker. When Bennett is 27 he'll be much better than Zucker. Treliving wouldn't trade Bennett for Zucker straight up... let alone with a 1st added in too.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

You wouldn't trade a third line winger with a career high of 36 points, and on pace for 33 points this year for a guy in his prime coming off a 33 goal, 64 point season signed to a reasonable contract for the next four years?

No sane Calgary fan would trade Sam Bennett for Jason Zucker, regardless of how you frame it.

 

[Sparky93]

You wouldn't trade a third line winger with a career high of 36 points, and on pace for 33 points this year for a guy in his prime coming off a 33 goal, 64 point season signed to a reasonable contract for the next four years?

See, look, I can frame things to fit my narrative too.

The problem with Zucker is that he’s really not that good. I don’t think most hockey fans, even in Minnesota, think Zucker could be relied upon to consistently produce 50-60 points a season.

 

[blankall]

Lets compare apples to apples. At 22 Zucker scored 5 pts in 21 games. This translates to 20 pts over an 82 game season. At 23 Zucker scored 26 pts in 51 games which translates to 40 pts in 82 games. At 24 Zucker declined to 23 pts in 71 games which translates to a 27 pt season. At 25 Zucker scored 47 pts in 79 games. At 26 he finally got his **** together and scored 64 pts in 82 games. This year his game has declined once again. Last year was the exception not the norm.

At 22 Bennett is almost as good, scoring wise, and better otherwise than a 27 year old Zucker. When Bennett is 27 he'll be much better than Zucker. Treliving wouldn't trade Bennett for Zucker straight up... let alone with a 1st added in too.

Not to mention cap implications. Zucker at 5.5 loses a lot of his appeal.

 

[Bazeek]

The problem with Zucker is that he’s really not that good. I don’t think most hockey fans, even in Minnesota, think Zucker could be relied upon to consistently produce 50-60 points a season.

No, he's probably good for 25G and 50-55P a season with second line minutes and linemates on most teams.

 

[crackdown44]

Let’s all argue value about a trade that didn’t happen and pieces we don’t know were included