At the same time how do you expect a team to get closer to their goal (being a true contender) if you’re not patching hole in your line up? Don’t forget Habs have 0 LHD prospects other than Romanov who’s in the KHL and a few years away from NA
Eklund Rumor: Jake Muzzin to MTL
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At the same time how do you expect a team to get closer to their goal (being a true contender) if you’re not patching hole in your line up? Don’t forget Habs have 0 LHD prospects other than Romanov who’s in the KHL and a few years away from NA
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So what, even if he is the ONLY one who is making 14 which I doubt, there will be players getting very close to that, and McDavid will be up for a new contract before then, he’s gonna get massive money.
I way rather have Marner at 14 mil than Tavares going to 35 years old at 11 mil.
Trust me, this would be a great move for us Marner is a VERY special player. Losing him would also crush Toronto, they could have our next 4 low round picks.
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I agree i wounld't pay more than that based on our situation. But impossible we land him for that.
Will he make that Montreal team able to win a Cup? Honestly, I don't think so, not this year at least ( I don't think this Habs team is likely to beat either Tampa or Toronto in a 7 game series to make it out of the Atlantic, and a healthy Boston would be tough as well), but it would at least give them a shot at an upset; as it is they are currently outmatched by the contenders in the Atlantic.
All HF posters want to lowball the top players at the deadline. It’s always been this way. Someone will overpay for Muzzin.
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If you make an offersheet of 7 years to Marner, his contract and McDavid's will end at the sme time. So Marner will earn 1,5M$ more than the best player in the NHL. Sorry but that doesn't make sense, at all.
The problem isn’t about trade some futures it’s who/what we decide to trade.
Trading a good RHD and/or C prospect along with a 2nd round pick doesn’t really hurt us. Hell, even a 1st round pick would be OK if we’ve somehow already secured a playoff spot (think 7-10 point ahead of the 9th place)
What I’m having issues with is trading a top prospect and/or a lottery pick. A 7-14 pick doesn’t hold the same value as a 18-25 pick and the player you select there has a totally different upside
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Crosby made less than Ovechkin for all of their careers, and many other player salaries passed Crosby’s. It’s just the way it is.
How else could we get an elite talent like Marner?? Is it fair that McDavid only makes 1.5 million more that Tavares? No. McDavid should have took more money, he chose not to. It would have nothing to do with us paying Marner 14, we could afford it, maybe we offer sheet him at 13? If you do it, the number has to be right, you can’t mess up.
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I’m sure a team will pay that. But our 2019 1st is too valuable, there’s many nice LD to pick from in the first round.
What about:
Poehling
2019 2nd
Shlemko
For
Muzzin
Many Habs fans will be mad. But if I’m trading for Muzzin that means I’m going all in and competing for a Cup. Now I’m trading the rest of the farm for a top 6 forward and another reliable LD.
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I think LA can easily get a 1st+ for him....i wonder if MB does that...
While i agree in part that offense is worth alot cause you need to score to win but good defense is what leads to good offense as long as you have the pieces up front to score.
Probably not but we have prospects we could trade that are more enticing than a late first. Fleury for example and a couple of seconds
Better offense, look at the career stats cause they say other wise.
C'mon now you know these are not top picks. Kopitar was 11th OA and Kuznetsov 15th. Marchand and Bergeron are not even first rounders. And Seguin was an afterthought for the Bruins who didn't contribute much to their cup win. "Literally zero teams win the cup without multiple top picks"
Compare the Bruins success to the Oilers and Panthers who actually had multiple top picks. You need some of the best players in the league to win the cup, but many of the best players are not drafted highly (Kucherov, Point, Gaudreau not in the first round, Giroux, Pastrnak tail end of the round).
Draft better not higher.
Panarin is a legit target.
He loves a great worldly city. He loves the spotlight. He wants stardom.
Montreal isn't mentioned as one of his favorite cities. But he doesn't really know much about different cities, apparently, you'll have to get on his radar. He's easily worth $11m per, he's better than Tavares.
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C'mon now you know these are not top picks. Kopitar was 11th OA and Kuznetsov 15th. Marchand and Bergeron are not even first rounders. And Seguin was an afterthought for the Bruins who didn't contribute much to their cup win. "Literally zero teams win the cup without multiple top picks"
You need some of the best players in the league to win the cup, but many of the best players are not drafted highly (Kucherov, Point, Gaudreau not in the first round, Giroux, Pastrnak tail end of the round).
Draft better not higher.
So what you are saying is that the least likely scenario is just as probable as the one that has lead to the success of nearly every cup winner in the modern era? The same phenomenon that is primarily responsible for the success of all the current up and coming teams? Do they not all have top lottery picks that are outproducing their respective peers? It's no secret that elite players help a team succeed but it's even less of a secret that truly elite players mostly come from the lottery draft (there will always be exceptions and there are no strategies that are 100% effective).
We shouldn't emulate the minute case because "anything can happen" and "we can find gems in later rounds" like it's a given...It's a ridiculous way to build out a real contender in today's NHL.
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Why, cause it does not suit your case. LA suck this year, but the last 4 years Muzzin has the same amount of points as Petry and all those years Muzzin did not play with Doughty.
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Wtf are you even talking about! You don't watch hockey if you think Petry is better than Muzzin at all (offense or defense). Don't believe me, Okay. Let's have a look at stats...
Petry...
12-13: 12 points in 48 games
13-14: 17 points in 80 games
14-15: 22 points in 78 games *between Oilers/Habs
15-16: 16 points in 51 games
16-17: 28 points in 80 games
17-18: 42 points in 82 games
18-19: 24 points in 32 games
Total for 7 seasons: 161 points in 451 games
Muzzin...
12-13: 16 points in 45 games
13-14: 24 points in 76 games
14-15: 41 points in 76 games
15-16: 40 points in 82 games
16-17: 28 points in 82 games
17-18: 42 points in 74 games
18-19: 11 points in 33 games
Total for 7 seasons: 202 points in 468 games
(That means Muzzin has scored 41 more points than Petry in 17 more games. That's a whole season of scoring for Petry in only 17 games. Damn! Muzzin is actually really good offensively).
So Muzzin is the actual better offensive player and defensive player than Petry for the last 7 seasons. All while being 2 years young than Petry. Yet you guys think Muzzin is worth less than him.
That doesn't even include Muzzin is signed to a better contract at 4m to Petry 5.5m.
You either are undervaluing Muzzin or overvaluing Petry.
So again I ask...wtf are you talking about?
Edit: I get the point that Muzzin doesn't fit with that age part of where Montreal is going for. And I don't think the 2 teams are good trading partners. But to suggest that Petry is better than Muzzin is ridiculous. Just say Muzzin doesn't fit in with the structure of the team being built.
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