This is dumb post for two reasons. You called Hughes a winger when he’s a center and you said Stutzle is the most dynamic. Have you seen Hughes play man.Development is different for all so that doesn’t matter.
I don’t care for underlying numbers. They’re a business for snake oil salesmen. Not an effective way to measure player value.
I’m also not overly concerned what others project or think. I go based on what I see relative to what I know.
Stutzle is the most dynamic. Elite skater, puck skills, instincts etc. He’s a star in the making and can see the game like a centre. Likely he makes the move as soon as next year.
Suzuki plays an incredibly detailed and mature game for his age. So much of what he does are things you can’t really teach or develop. His impact on winning is what you’re looking for in a centre man.
Hughes is a winger with talent and clearly years work into the tangible skills but lacks that ‘it’ factor and for me. I also think should have been playing in the CHL to adjust to the physicality. These soft and slight players that don’t know how to use their body have a tough time adjusting to playing with men.
I believe he’s better suited as a winger. If I’m a coach, he isn’t very good at what I need him to be good at without the puck. I think he’d be more effective with less responsibility. Let him stay in his lane and focus on offense.This is dumb post for two reasons. You called Hughes a winger when he’s a center and you said Stutzle is the most dynamic. Have you seen Hughes play man.
He literally controlled the play when he was on the ice man and had great defensive impacts. Also 2nd in the league in takeaways behind Mark Stone. What is it he’s not doing without the puck exactly? I didn’t ask what you take particular interest in and it’s completely irrelevant if you watched him more when he was 15 years old.I believe he’s better suited as a winger. If I’m a coach, he isn’t very good at what I need him to be good at without the puck. I think he’d be more effective with less responsibility. Let him stay in his lane and focus on offense.
Stutzle is the most dynamic.
Yes. As someone who always takes a particular interest in the top GTHL prospects (especially ones applying for exceptional status) I’d guess I’ve probably been watching him for longer than you, too.
Edit: Bookmark my post and I’ll bookmark yours. Let’s see who was a better fortune teller in the coming years?
So you’re looking at shot metrics?He literally controlled the play when he was on the ice man and had great defensive impacts. Also 2nd in the league in takeaways behind Mark Stone. What is it he’s not doing without the puck exactly? I didn’t ask what you take particular interest in and it’s completely irrelevant if you watched him more when he was 15 years old.
And okay bet
Huh what plays is he losing that he was in place to make? His lack of strength and physicality didn’t stop him from finishing 2nd in the league in takeaways. He reads the play extremely well.So you’re looking at shot metrics?
There is so much nuance to being a good centre that it’s pretty hard to summarize but the most simple is high IQ, anticipation and being able to play fluid but connected with the two d men in their own zone and the two wingers on the attack. Hughes isn’t even bad at reading the play but his size and lack of strength and physicality has him losing far too many plays that he was actually in place to make. He doesn’t ‘dig in’ like the other two so it makes the choice pretty easy if I’m being honest.
You questioned whether I’ve watched him. I responded with a yes, since he was a young kid. It’s very interesting to see a kid you watched make it to the league.
In order to properly answer your question we’d need to spend time watching video.Huh what plays is he losing that he was in place to make? His lack of strength and physicality didn’t stop him from finishing 2nd in the league in takeaways. He reads the play extremely well.
I believe he’s better suited as a winger. If I’m a coach, he isn’t very good at what I need him to be good at without the puck. I think he’d be more effective with less responsibility. Let him stay in his lane and focus on offense.
Stutzle is the most dynamic.
Yes. As someone who always takes a particular interest in the top GTHL prospects (especially ones applying for exceptional status) I’d guess I’ve probably been watching him for longer than you, too.
Edit: Bookmark my post and I’ll bookmark yours. Let’s see who was a better fortune teller in the coming years?
Here I helped you.
Agreed". Have to look at the complete pkaÿer, and not only points.
I don't know about that. I think he was probably a bit better overall, especially in the neutral zone, but I felt like Stutzle was more dangerous when he'd get the puck in the offensive zone.
But I will say that despite being 6 months older, Stutzle's has a much more NHL ready body. Not sure who has more room for physical development, but you're not going to find many players in the NHL at Hughes current size and build.
“I realize that now and it helps me a lot to get those things fixed during this first season and that’s why I want to come back stronger.”
“I want to be way, way stronger for next year and just have a great year.”
At 19, Suzuki was still in the OHL.
Meanwhile, Hughes was the 2nd leading scorer on an NHL team, putting up excellent underlying numbers as a 19 year old. He's already one of the best puck carriers in the league (I believe he's among the leaders in controlled zone entries).
Suzuki is a very good young player, who projects as a reliable top 20-25 center. But he's just not on the same tier of elite talents like Hughes and Stutzle, who both project as guys who could be top 5 at their position.
Hughes has become incredibly underrated, especially by stat watchers. Anyone who watched him play this year knows that he's on the verge of putting up big numbers. He's going to start next year with another 5-10 lbs of muscle (and hopefully some of the puck luck he's due) and go off for 70+ points.
Development is different for all so that doesn’t matter.
I don’t care for underlying numbers. They’re a business for snake oil salesmen. Not an effective way to measure player value.
I’m also not overly concerned what others project or think. I go based on what I see relative to what I know.
Stutzle is the most dynamic. Elite skater, puck skills, instincts etc. He’s a star in the making and can see the game like a centre. Likely he makes the move as soon as next year.
Suzuki plays an incredibly detailed and mature game for his age. So much of what he does are things you can’t really teach or develop. His impact on winning is what you’re looking for in a centre man.
Hughes is a winger with talent and clearly years work into the tangible skills but lacks that ‘it’ factor and for me. I also think should have been playing in the CHL to adjust to the physicality. These soft and slight players that don’t know how to use their body have a tough time adjusting to playing with men.
There's no way to not sound biased here, but let's real guys... Long term, its obviously this:
Hughes
Stutzle
Suzuki
You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
I’ll just remind you they’re a business.That's all I had to hear to end this discussion
I’m just not a big stat watcher. Player evaluation is an art, not a science.I'm your huckleberry.
Terms,
3 years who has a higher ppg average Hughes or Stutzle. Winner gets to pick the other posters forum avi for 6 months?
Open to negotiation.
P.S. Obviously assuming we are both still around.
Saying things like 'hughes was the worst on his team' just lets me know you cant even spell New Jersey, let alone guess what number Jack Hughes even wears.. because its obvious youve never watched a second of his playAll of your arguments are brutally flawed.
What are your arguments even? That Hughes is greater all-around player a year older? I am confused. It sure as hell isn't about points cause Stutzle's rookie season rivals Hughes' sophomore one.
And if it is about Hughes being better all-around, what's your argument against it being Stutzle's rookie year? That Stutzle was playing in 8th-10th best pro league in the world?
Stutzle in his first 13 games in the NHL was -13.
In his last 40 games he was -5.
Hughes was unequivocally the worst on his team. and he got WORSE as the season went along. Completely the opposite as Stutzle. He went -7 in his first 30 games and -17 in his last 24 games.
Stutzle projects as the better player and has progressed far better in his rookie year and so on vs Hughes, not sure why this is some sort of inane assumption.
Is your argument Hughes is still physically immature? Stutzle was getting bodied off the puck left and right but was physical phenom against his own age group. Stutzle's physical maturity has a far greater edge--especially due to body frame--than Hughes'.
So not only dont you watch Jack play but now, let me guess, covid wasnt even a big deal to you huh?Jack Hughes caught covid 19 last year?
I think you need the help.
So not only dont you watch Jack play but now, let me guess, covid wasnt even a big deal to you huh?
Imagine trying to discredit a player getting infected with covid and losing most of their muscle gains they made a few months prior
So not only dont you watch Jack play but now, let me guess, covid wasnt even a big deal to you huh?
Imagine trying to discredit a player getting infected with covid and losing most of their muscle gains they made a few months prior