Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk 2018-19 | Part II

[seafoam]

I’ll see it when I believe it. NYI has had some horrible luck with Russians.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I’ll see it when I believe it. NYI has had some horrible luck with Russians.

Or you’ll believe it when you see it?

 

[SI]

Isles can't approach the team with a buyout offer, but it doesn't stop them from wiring money to him and he uses it to pay out his contract.

I do not think that is correct - $ has to come from player NOT team.

Am I wrong?

 

[SI]

Sorokin will have one more year left - if he buys out the final year and comes over -

I can see Isles signing him once the season ends to burn an ELC, so Sorokin can be an RFA sooner.

Under those conditions - it is possible to see him coming over

 

[seafoam]

Sorokin will have one more year left - if he buys out the final year and comes over -

I can see Isles signing him once the season ends to burn an ELC, so Sorokin can be an RFA sooner.

Under those conditions - it is possible to see him coming over

That would be the only situation I can see Sorokin coming over early in. Buy “yourself” out (I have no clue if teams really help foot the bill here) and basically exchange the last year remaining on your KHL contract for getting out of the last year of your NHL contract.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Sorokin will have one more year left - if he buys out the final year and comes over -

I can see Isles signing him once the season ends to burn an ELC, so Sorokin can be an RFA sooner.

Under those conditions - it is possible to see him coming over

What I'm not certain about is how exactly a buyout takes place.

What I mean by this, and we've heard this at various junctures along the way, is that the NYI are NOT allowed to pay for his buyout. This has to come out of his OWN pocket.

That said, I'm sure there are ways to perhaps get him the money. Most likely is that he'd simply get the highest ELC gage possible.

And I'd have no problem with that. By all means, the young man is special - as in, he could be simply dominant by his 3rd NHL season.

 

[Spybot]

What I'm not certain about is how exactly a buyout takes place.

What I mean by this, and we've heard this at various junctures along the way, is that the NYI are NOT allowed to pay for his buyout. This has to come out of his OWN pocket.

That said, I'm sure there are ways to perhaps get him the money. Most likely is that he'd simply get the highest ELC gage possible.

And I'd have no problem with that. By all means, the young man is special - as in, he could be simply dominant by his 3rd NHL season.

As a treasured prospect he's probably gonna get a loaded ELC anyway. Which still only guarantees him ~900k with maybe another 200k-800k in bonuses so I don't know if that would help much. Is his KHL salary that low?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

As a treasured prospect he's probably gonna get a loaded ELC anyway. Which still only guarantees him ~900k with maybe another 200k-800k in bonuses so I don't know if that would help much. Is his KHL salary that low?

I don't know how they'd do it.

I'm sure it can be done somehow in a manner that is good for him and the NYI, especially in Russia.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

The upside of going to the NHL is incredible so if he is confident in his abilities, it’s a no brainer. What does he have to lose over the long term as he can always go back?

 

[burana800]

The upside of going to the NHL is incredible so if he is confident in his abilities, it’s a no brainer. What does he have to lose over the long term as he can always go back?

It always surprises me how the impact of the cultural change is so often underestimated here. The bottom line is that Russians like living in Russia. Lot of people seem to have problems wrapping this around their head. They don't necessarily speak any English and for Russians family is very important. Russian is much more family-centered than Finland or US for example. Yes, I know how things are in Russia but we are talking about wealthy hockey players here. Especially Moscow and St. Petersburg are extremely nice cities if you have a thick wallet. Considering taxes and the general price level, they also make good money. Yes, it seems like a no-brainer but to abandon your family, friends and "easy" money is not always that easy. Even though they are professional hockey players, they are still human beings. And yes I think that it would help a lot if we'd have few Russians in our team.

 

[seabass45]

As a treasured prospect he's probably gonna get a loaded ELC anyway. Which still only guarantees him ~900k with maybe another 200k-800k in bonuses so I don't know if that would help much. Is his KHL salary that low?

I could be wrong but I think his KHL salary is much higher than he would get here and it's tax free?

 

[xECK29x]

* = current assignment
+ = on IR or just hurt

NHL - New York Islanders

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

AHL - Bridgeport Sound Tigers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Kieffer Bellows	LW/C	2014 round 6 #155	4	7	1	2	3	4	-3
Devon Toews	D	2014 round 4 #108	6	7	1	5	6	4	-3
Otto Koivula	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #120	17	4	0	0	0	0	-2
Mitchell Vande Sompel	D	2015 round 3 #82	11	6	1	2	3	2	-1
Parker Wotherspoon	D	2015 round 4 #112	13	6	1	2	3	2	-1
Scott Eansor	C/LW	UFA Signing	HM	4	0	0	0	0	-1
+ John Stevens	C	UFA Signing	HM	0	0	0	0	0	0
David Quenneville	D	2016 rnd 7 #200	14	0	0	0	0	0	0
Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	7	0	4	4	4	-9
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	16	7	3	5	8	4	-1
Yannick Rathgeb	D	UFA Signing	15	2	1	1	2	0	1
Kyle Burroughs	D	2013 round 7 #196	25	5	0	0	0	8	-2
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	9	6	0	3	3	4	-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ECHL - Worcester Railers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
* David Quenneville	D	2016 rnd 7 #200	14	3	1	2	3	0	3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CHL - Canadian Major Juniors

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Noah Dobson	D	2018 round 1 #12	2	Acadie-Bathurst Titan	10	3	4	7	8	-7
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	HM	Halifax Mooseheads	14	7	11	18	12	8
Blade Jenkins	C	2018 round 5 #134	21	Saginaw Spirit	11	2	8	10	6	-2
Bode Wilde	D	2018 round 2 #41	7	Saginaw Spirit	10	3	10	13	8	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

USHL

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

NCAA

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW	2018 round 1 #11	1	Boston College	3	1	0	1	2	-2
+ Ruslan Iskhakov	RW	2018 round 2 #43	10	Univ. of Connecticut	2	1	1	2	4	2
Nick Pastujov	LW	2016 round 7 #193	HM	Univ. of Michigan	3	3	1	4	4	0
Collin Adams	LW	2016 round 6 #170	NR	Univ. of North Dakota	4	1	0	1	0	-4
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201	22	Boston Univ.	3	0	1	1	2	-1
Benjamin Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77	19	Providence College	5	0	3	3	10	2
Andong Song	D	2015 round 6 #172	NR	Cornell Univ.	0	0	0	0	0	0
Christian Krygier	D	2018 round 7 #196	HM	Michigan State Univ.	2	0	0	0	4	0
Jacob Pivonka	C	2018 round 4 #103	24	Univ. of Notre Dame	4	0	0	0	15	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Europe

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	SaiPa (Liiga)	13	2	3	5	4	-1
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	18	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL)	16	9	3	12	2	6
Petter Hansson	D	2015 round 7 #202	NR	Södertälje SK (Allsvenskan)	4	0	0	0	0	0
				* Huddinge IK (Division 1)	4	0	1	1	0	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies

PLAYER	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	GAA	SV%	SO
Ilya Sorokin	2014 round 3 #78	3	CSKA Moskva (KHL)	14	1.52	.925	1
+ Linus Söderström	2014 round 4 #95	8	Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL)	0	0	0	0
Jakub Skarek	2018 round 3 #72	12	Pelicans (Liiga)	8	1.83	.920	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Macch]

* = current assignment
+ = on IR or just hurt

NHL - New York Islanders

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

AHL - Bridgeport Sound Tigers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Kieffer Bellows	LW/C	2014 round 6 #155	4	7	1	2	3	4	-3
Devon Toews	D	2014 round 4 #108	6	7	1	5	6	4	-3
Otto Koivula	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #120	17	4	0	0	0	0	-2
Mitchell Vande Sompel	D	2015 round 3 #82	11	6	1	2	3	2	-1
Parker Wotherspoon	D	2015 round 4 #112	13	6	1	2	3	2	-1
Scott Eansor	C/LW	UFA Signing	HM	4	0	0	0	0	-1
+ John Stevens	C	UFA Signing	HM	0	0	0	0	0	0
David Quenneville	D	2016 rnd 7 #200	14	0	0	0	0	0	0
Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	7	0	4	4	4	-9
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	16	7	3	5	8	4	-1
Yannick Rathgeb	D	UFA Signing	15	2	1	1	2	0	1
Kyle Burroughs	D	2013 round 7 #196	25	5	0	0	0	8	-2
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	9	6	0	3	3	4	-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ECHL - Worcester Railers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
* David Quenneville	D	2016 rnd 7 #200	14	3	1	2	3	0	3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CHL - Canadian Major Juniors

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Noah Dobson	D	2018 round 1 #12	2	Acadie-Bathurst Titan	10	3	4	7	8	-7
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	HM	Halifax Mooseheads	14	7	11	18	12	8
Blade Jenkins	C	2018 round 5 #134	21	Saginaw Spirit	11	2	8	10	6	-2
Bode Wilde	D	2018 round 2 #41	7	Saginaw Spirit	10	3	10	13	8	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

USHL

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

NCAA

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW	2018 round 1 #11	1	Boston College	3	1	0	1	2	-2
+ Ruslan Iskhakov	RW	2018 round 2 #43	10	Univ. of Connecticut	2	1	1	2	4	2
Nick Pastujov	LW	2016 round 7 #193	HM	Univ. of Michigan	3	3	1	4	4	0
Collin Adams	LW	2016 round 6 #170	NR	Univ. of North Dakota	4	1	0	1	0	-4
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201	22	Boston Univ.	3	0	1	1	2	-1
Benjamin Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77	19	Providence College	5	0	3	3	10	2
Andong Song	D	2015 round 6 #172	NR	Cornell Univ.	0	0	0	0	0	0
Christian Krygier	D	2018 round 7 #196	HM	Michigan State Univ.	2	0	0	0	4	0
Jacob Pivonka	C	2018 round 4 #103	24	Univ. of Notre Dame	4	0	0	0	15	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Europe

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	SaiPa (Liiga)	13	2	3	5	4	-1
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	18	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL)	16	9	3	12	2	6
Petter Hansson	D	2015 round 7 #202	NR	Södertälje SK (Allsvenskan)	4	0	0	0	0	0
				* Huddinge IK (Division 1)	4	0	1	1	0	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies

PLAYER	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	GAA	SV%	SO
Ilya Sorokin	2014 round 3 #78	3	CSKA Moskva (KHL)	14	1.52	.925	1
+ Linus Söderström	2014 round 4 #95	8	Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL)	0	0	0	0
Jakub Skarek	2018 round 3 #72	12	Pelicans (Liiga)	8	1.83	.920	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Could've guessed Nick Pastujov would be our leading NCAA prospect.

Only 1 goal off of his career high.

 

[doublechili]

PLAYER

POS

ACQUIRED

HFB RANK

GP

G

A

PTS

PIM

+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	7	0	4	4	4	-9
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	16	7	3	5	8	4	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[SI]

As a treasured prospect he's probably gonna get a loaded ELC anyway. Which still only guarantees him ~900k with maybe another 200k-800k in bonuses so I don't know if that would help much. Is his KHL salary that low?

KHL salary is higher and tax free.

The Isles good faith here is - they agree to burn 1 year of his ELC - I believe this was how they got Andrea Lee to sign and not go to Free agency- so there is precedent for a move like this.

Sorokin would buyout his deal and come over with - I agree - the highest bonuses allowed on ELC - 925k salary and a guarantee he makes the team or he can go back home. The season after he is a RFA and can sign a higher deal.

I agree he needs a stronger caddy and maybe a Varlamov or Bobrovsky to help transition.

More Russians - Komarov with maybe Panarin and Bobrovsky is a good start!

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Looks like Pastujov may be finding himself in a scoring role this season.

 

[leeroggy]

Could've guessed Nick Pastujov would be our leading NCAA prospect.

Only 1 goal off of his career high.

When I watched Michigan last year he looked like a definite bottom 6 prospect. He was very smart defensively and if he now is getting some more ice time he could possibly be a late bloomer. He certainly was not Cammarota level.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

It always surprises me how the impact of the cultural change is so often underestimated here. The bottom line is that Russians like living in Russia. Lot of people seem to have problems wrapping this around their head. They don't necessarily speak any English and for Russians family is very important. Russian is much more family-centered than Finland or US for example. Yes, I know how things are in Russia but we are talking about wealthy hockey players here. Especially Moscow and St. Petersburg are extremely nice cities if you have a thick wallet. Considering taxes and the general price level, they also make good money. Yes, it seems like a no-brainer but to abandon your family, friends and "easy" money is not always that easy. Even though they are professional hockey players, they are still human beings. And yes I think that it would help a lot if we'd have few Russians in our team.

You make excellent points about cultural changes, family and comfort of playing at home with money.

Going into this, he is being told he can be the best in his position possibly in the world. He will have to want to maximize his compensation.

I also consider the dire straits the KHL is in.
The article is over a year old but I assume it is still relevant to my point.

KHL cuts team, reveals 6-month salary delays

Add to that the awful travel with old planes. I know Bridgeport is not fun but travel here is much better than travel in Russia.

Ideally the players are talking to countrymen who have made the trip and you have to believe that they are encouraging. Fellow countrymen like Ovi winning the cup with Trotz as coach and his assistants would be a positive.

 

[Glory Days]

You make excellent points about cultural changes, family and comfort of playing at home with money.

Going into this, he is being told he can be the best in his position possibly in the world. He will have to want to maximize his compensation.

I also consider the dire straits the KHL is in.
The article is over a year old but I assume it is still relevant to my point.

KHL cuts team, reveals 6-month salary delays

Add to that the awful travel with old planes. I know Bridgeport is not fun but travel here is much better than travel in Russia.

Ideally the players are talking to countrymen who have made the trip and you have to believe that they are encouraging. Fellow countrymen like Ovi winning the cup with Trotz as coach and his assistants would be a positive.

It would be helpful for his transition if the Isles had other Russian players on their roster. Snow did a very poor job with that. Hopefully this is something Lou will improve on.

 

[Caser]

You make excellent points about cultural changes, family and comfort of playing at home with money.

Going into this, he is being told he can be the best in his position possibly in the world. He will have to want to maximize his compensation.

I also consider the dire straits the KHL is in.
The article is over a year old but I assume it is still relevant to my point.

KHL cuts team, reveals 6-month salary delays

Add to that the awful travel with old planes. I know Bridgeport is not fun but travel here is much better than travel in Russia.

Ideally the players are talking to countrymen who have made the trip and you have to believe that they are encouraging. Fellow countrymen like Ovi winning the cup with Trotz as coach and his assistants would be a positive.

Sorry, about travel and salary delays, are we talking about CSKA team here, who are sponsored by a top Russian oil company Rosneft? Not to mention that around 75% of the KHL teams (yes, I even counted those) doesn't have those issues at all.

 

[Caser]

 

[SI90]

Boston College looks horrible early in the season. Wahlstrom should bolt to the CHL.

 

[BelovedIsles]

Boston College looks horrible early in the season. Wahlstrom should bolt to the CHL.

I was wondering that myself, would the CHL be better for his development.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Yep, haven't seen many plays like that coming from our Isles this season...

 

[Glory Days]

Boston College looks horrible early in the season. Wahlstrom should bolt to the CHL.

BC had a tough early schedule. All their games were against nationally ranked teams. BC was preseason #1 in Hockey East. I would think they will turn it around. To early to panic.