Is Erik Karlsson still a top 5-10 dman?

[Sensinitis]

Burns has more points but has been absolutely atrocious defensively. At least 4 times worse than Karlsson.

EK65 might spill the spaghetti every once in a while in the Defensive zone, but Burns is flat out blowing coverage on most nights.

Nice to see Sharks fans spreading the truth about Karlsson’s defensive game. It’s been over 30 games now, the sample size is big enough.

 

[wetcoast]

Wat

Anyway Karlsson is the definition of a player who reaches another level on the biggest stage.

He was the best player in the Olympics and the best player in the playoffs. And he wasn't just the best, he was historically dominant.

Neither of these 2 things are true.

Historically dominant?

 

[branch]

I came into this thread to argeu that he still is a top 5-10 until I thought about this.

No particular order and thinking about TODAY, not their careers yesterday or tomorrow:

Pietreangelo
Barrie
Girard
Subban
Josi
Burns
Letang
Rielly
Chabot
Giordano
Yandle
Hedman
OEL
Jones
Carlson
Doughty

Damn, EK is top 20 at best IMO at the moment. Sure he could bounce back, but right now looks very bad.

Ouch, this is a tough look. You might want to delete.

Anyways, Karlsson will return to form once he comes back to his spiritual home after Melnyk sells the team on Christmas Eve and the new owners will invite all the Sens fans to have a Christmas party at CTC with pastries, onesies, hot chocolate, and strippers and high society escorts, all on the house.

 

[branch]

Neither of these 2 things are true.

Historically dominant?

He is right and you are wrong brother. It's no problem to not like EK, but don't ignore objective fact. He's not posting speculation. Only an idiot fights facts.

 

[Agent Zub]

Neither of these 2 things are true.

Historically dominant?

he led the Olympics in scoring while being on the ice for zero goals against the entire tournament.

Tell me which other player, let alone defenceman has ever done that.

Putting up a historical performance is being historically dominant yes? Or is that fake news?

 

[wetcoast]

He is right and you are wrong brother. It's no problem to not like EK, but don't ignore objective fact. He's not posting speculation. Only an idiot fights facts.

No historic would be among the best Olympics and best playoffs in history.

I wouldn't put that playoff run in the top 20 all time.

Back to the OP last season and this season he clearly isn't top 10 anymore.

 

[Makoshark]

Playing his best hockey of the season right now. 15 pts in 16 games offensively. Team GAA WAY better recently and a big part of that is due to Karlsson. Outright dominant and taking over games. No. Top 10 D-Man status in the league? No. It will be interesting to revisit this thread at the end of the season and see where we are.

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Neither of these 2 things are true.

Historically dominant?

Both things are true

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

I came into this thread to argeu that he still is a top 5-10 until I thought about this.

No particular order and thinking about TODAY, not their careers yesterday or tomorrow:

Pietreangelo
Barrie
Girard
Subban
Josi
Burns
Letang
Rielly
Chabot
Giordano
Yandle
Hedman
OEL
Jones
Carlson
Doughty

Damn, EK is top 20 at best IMO at the moment. Sure he could bounce back, but right now looks very bad.

Did you pull these names out of a hat?
Pietrangelo is having a terrible season.
Girard? No comment
Chabot? He is having and excellent season offensively. Offensively only.
Yandle? OEL? Not doing great.
Doughty? Having a bad season.

 

[wetcoast]

he led the Olympics in scoring while being on the ice for zero goals against the entire tournament.

Tell me which other player, let alone defenceman has ever done that.

Putting up a historical performance is being historically dominant yes? Or is that fake news?

That's a great trivia answer but that doesn't make it the best performance by a dman all time.

And reguardless it's a distraction as last year and this season is more relevant to the OP.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

My prediction is the Sharks peak at the right time and win the cup this year. Jones or another goalie will get into form for a run.

You heard it here.....probably 2,768th?

 

[Revelation]

I came into this thread to argeu that he still is a top 5-10 until I thought about this.

No particular order and thinking about TODAY, not their careers yesterday or tomorrow:

Pietreangelo
Barrie
Girard
Subban
Josi
Burns
Letang
Rielly
Chabot
Giordano
Yandle
Hedman
OEL
Jones
Carlson
Doughty

Damn, EK is top 20 at best IMO at the moment. Sure he could bounce back, but right now looks very bad.

Is there some kind of meme campaign around Girard like Skoula and puck poise? For an ok young second pairing defenseman he's compared to Lidstrom/Keith/top 20 guys comically often.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Did you pull these names out of a hat?
Pietrangelo is having a terrible season.
Girard? No comment
Chabot? He is having and excellent season offensively. Offensively only.
Yandle? OEL? Not doing great.
Doughty? Having a bad season.

Were talking about Erik Karlsson. Not one single person has brought up corsi or fancy stats showing how good EK has been on the defensive side of the game. Soooooo hell yes I'm look at offensive numbers and every single one of these guys besides Pietro (IR) is right around EK stats wise and the majority play on worse teams when it comes to padding stats.

If were talking pedigree of what have you done in the past 5 years then sure, EK wins over all IMO, but were talking about today and he is simply not in the top 5-10 of dmen in the league.

You have to take into account the team around each player and I would argue Karlsson and Burns are in the best position to put up points as a dman.

 

[Willy Stylez]

Neither of these 2 things are true.

Historically dominant?

 

[Newusername]

Is there some kind of meme campaign around Girard like Skoula and puck poise? For an ok young second pairing defenseman he's compared to Lidstrom/Keith/top 20 guys comically often.

Name one post where he is compared to Keith or Lidstrom, he is much more then an ok young second pairing defenseman though, maybe you should watch him. He is dynamic and only 20 years old

 

[Agent Zub]

Were talking about Erik Karlsson. Not one single person has brought up corsi or fancy stats showing how good EK has been on the defensive side of the game. Soooooo hell yes I'm look at offensive numbers and every single one of these guys besides Pietro (IR) is right around EK stats wise and the majority play on worse teams when it comes to padding stats.

If were talking pedigree of what have you done in the past 5 years then sure, EK wins over all IMO, but were talking about today and he is simply not in the top 5-10 of dmen in the league.

You have to take into account the team around each player and I would argue Karlsson and Burns are in the best position to put up points as a dman.

Do you even look at Karlssons advanced stats? He has some of the best numbers in the league. He's been a possession monster.

 

[RickyHP]

My prediction is the Sharks peak at the right time and win the cup this year. Jones or another goalie will get into form for a run.

You heard it here.....probably 2,768th?

jones has definitely progressed night and day. I wouldn't have said this a month and a half ago.

We'll see, he is showing hints of the 2016 jones at times.

 

[Agent Zub]

jones has definitely progressed night and day. I wouldn't have said this a month and a half ago.

We'll see, he is showing hints of the 2016 jones at times.

Yea Jones been great. All they need now is for Vlasic to not be a complete and utter liability.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Burns has more points but has been absolutely atrocious defensively. At least 4 times worse than Karlsson.

EK65 might spill the spaghetti every once in a while in the Defensive zone, but Burns is flat out blowing coverage on most nights.

C'mon man. Burns hasn't been that horrible. EK65 has been amazing though

 

[wetcoast]

Did you pull these names out of a hat?
Pietrangelo is having a terrible season.
Girard? No comment
Chabot? He is having and excellent season offensively. Offensively only.
Yandle? OEL? Not doing great.
Doughty? Having a bad season.

Chabot and offensively only in comparison to Eric?

Wow, that's an argument that I would have never believed from anyone supporting Karlsson.

BTW Chabot and the Sens are having a better season so far despite losing Erik.

Probably just a coincidence right?

 

[wetcoast]

Yea Jones been great. All they need now is for Vlasic to not be a complete and utter liability.

Vlasic has such a history of being defensively poor...right?

Well not really.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Were talking about Erik Karlsson. Not one single person has brought up corsi or fancy stats showing how good EK has been on the defensive side of the game. Soooooo hell yes I'm look at offensive numbers and every single one of these guys besides Pietro (IR) is right around EK stats wise and the majority play on worse teams when it comes to padding stats.

If were talking pedigree of what have you done in the past 5 years then sure, EK wins over all IMO, but were talking about today and he is simply not in the top 5-10 of dmen in the league.

You have to take into account the team around each player and I would argue Karlsson and Burns are in the best position to put up points as a dman.

How? These guys are playing with a mediocre forward group. They, along with Timo Meier, are their team’s offense.

A defenseman in a good position is somebody like Victor Hedman.

Were talking about Erik Karlsson. Not one single person has brought up corsi or fancy stats showing how good EK has been on the defensive side of the game. Soooooo hell yes I'm look at offensive numbers and every single one of these guys besides Pietro (IR) is right around EK stats wise and the majority play on worse teams when it comes to padding stats.

If were talking pedigree of what have you done in the past 5 years then sure, EK wins over all IMO, but were talking about today and he is simply not in the top 5-10 of dmen in the league.

You have to take into account the team around each player and I would argue Karlsson and Burns are in the best position to put up points as a dman.

Karlsson has quite literally been the best Corsi player in the league, but go off sis.

Classic has such a history of being defensively poor...right?

Well not really.

Actually, he’s shown a pretty clear trend of regression over the past two seasons, but this season he is legitimately playing below replacement level.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Yea Jones been great. All they need now is for Vlasic to not be a complete and utter liability.

He needs to get his ego checked honestly.

Always tryin' to be Marc Edouard Orr when he should be Steady Eddy. This offseason, DW or a coach needs to ask him what Vlasic wants going forward, because we need him to be the safety net since his offense is nonexistent.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Chabot and offensively only in comparison to Eric?

Wow, that's an arguement that I would have never relieved from anyone supporting Karlsson.

BTW Chabot and the Sens are having a better season so far despite losing Erik.

Probably just a coincidence right?

Uh yes.

Anderson’s play is a 180 from last season and Chabot is more seasoned now. Ask any Sens fans if they would take Karlsson back and most of us would say Yes in a heartbeat.

To think we would be worse with Karlsson this season is just idiotic. Have you seen our SA and our defense?

 

[CanadienShark]

I’m not the one saying he’s not, I’m the one asking others what there opinion is.

I think he still can be the best in the game.

But if I tried? MAybe? Arguably one of these...


Hedman
Jones
Doughty (see petriangelo but maybe still)
Dahlin (for now and future)
Josi
Burns
PK
Carlsson
Krug
Petriangelo (not so much this year)


There are lots more who are arguable but if this is how he plays the test of his career I could name some more.


However if he gets his game back then no, maybe only to three of those guys would I pick for now and the future (probably dahlin and Hedman) and maybe one of doughty/Josi/Jones

But I wanted to know what others thought...

Krug? Carlson? Josi? Damn man. I can get taking Doughty, Hedman, Subban, or maybe even Burns (though not imo), but the rest are a solid NO right now. Dahlin and Jones hold more trade value.