Intangir
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Somehow, I sincerely doubt that Vlasic has been one of the worst defensemen in the league this year. Not good, that I can imagine, but worst?
And, seriously, try to calm yourself.
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Is Erik Karlsson still a top 5-10 dman?
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Somehow, I sincerely doubt that Vlasic has been one of the worst defensemen in the league this year. Not good, that I can imagine, but worst?
And, seriously, try to calm yourself.
WTFetus
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His response was over-the-top, but it's pretty sad how the other poster acted like he knew how Karlsson plays, yet got something so blatantly wrong like who his d-partner is.
And yeah, Vlasic has been terrible this season. His play is 3rd pairing quality and he's been the 6th or 7th worst D on the team.
Intangir
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Perhaps I've missed the context of his answer, but the guy was way too high-strung in his reply.
And wow, didn't think I'd see Vlasic playing that badly. Would you trade him 1-fo-1 for Alzner? (I kid)
Machinehead
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The concern is his goal differential. It doesn't matter what else you offer if your team is outscored with you on the ice year in and year out.
It's been trending in the right direction lately.
It's been trending in the right direction lately.
Machinehead
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Yeah it's pretty much impossible to score on a PP with 4 of Couture/Burns/Pavelski/Thornton/Hertl/Kane/Meier, gotta be prime Orr on steroids
Machinehead
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You said comparable to what Carlson has.
The Sharks are a very talented team, but there's nothing on that roster even remotely close to what Ovechkin and Backstrom are right now.
Thornton was but that's a long time ago.
Agent Zub
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I'm calm I just swear a lot. :/
Krug and Josi are absolutely excellent m, especially Josi who literally has it all and is better then PK. I feel henis anyway....I’m not saying I would take them over Karlsson he’s been a lot better lately I said that if he kept up his play from earlier and the injuries move wrecked his game I would.
Vlasic is currently tied for 4th worst +- in the league amongst D, so yeah. One of the worst defensemen in the league this year. Mind you, this is after being a plus (and generally double digit plus) player the 10 prior seasons.
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Not only is Vlasic not elite defensively he hasn't spent any time with karlsson after like the first 5 games. You are clearly clueless and haven't watched the Sharks at all this season or even looked up a stats sheet so you probably shouldn't even comment on them.
No I haven't watched every minute of the Sharks this season, maybe 5% of posters in this thread have.
The point is that Karlsson being so awesome should have fit with Vlasic who has been elite defensively for sometime.
Karlsson clearly isnt a top 10 Dman any more and he wasn't last year.
He might get back there but that's another question.
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By every minute you mean "at all" an haven't bothered to look up stats to defend your points. But we are supposed to agree with your assessment of a player who plays on a team you don't pay attention to in the slightest. ok.
For the sake of you own credibility, please stop. Vlasic has been the worst defensive player on the Sharks this year at a -14. By comparison, EK65 is -5 and has been trending positively after a poor start.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
People just don’t seem to understand that when posters make posts on here with tons of swearing, they are doing it with a slow heart rate and a completely blank expression on their faces.
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and most of Karlssons -'s came when he was paired with Vlasic. Vlasic really shouldn't be an NHL regular right now.
Yes I actually have seen them play parts of a couple of games and did look up EK's and other Dmen stats b4 posting in this thread.
Perhaps you could address those points instead of my viewing habits?
Agent Zub
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well if this is true im sorry but you just dont know how to evaluate hockey.
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Ovechkin has 1 less power play since 2017-2018 than Evander Kane does in his entire career, hilarious that you would mention him in a list of good players on the PP. Timo Meier also has 6 PP goals in his entire career, it’s f***ing hilarious of you to act as if these players are anywhere near the level of the legitimately elite PP personnel of the Capitals.
Karlsson and Burns actually haven’t spent all that much time together on the PP, mainly because the PP coach is a f***ing idiot who needed to be fired immediately after the 2016-2017 playoffs. In fact, Karlsson has played more on the PP without Burns than he has with him.
Parts of a couple games, so basically nothing.
I’m also curious to hear what stats you looked up. Did you look up the fact that Erik Karlsson has a 35.29% GF with Marc-Edouard Vlasic and a 51.28% GF without him?
The issue on that pairing was pretty obviously Vlasic who is legitimately one of the worst players in the NHL this season and it’s pretty funny to see people expose how clueless they are when they say Vlasic is a top shut down defenseman in the league. He literally hasn’t been at that level since Barack Obama was President of the United States and if you’re so clueless that you aren’t aware of Vlasic being legitimately terrible, you’re not informed enough to comment on Erik Karlsson’s play.
Then you must know something that Peter Deboer doesn't since he plays Vlasic 18:38 5x5 MPG just behind Burns at 18:40 and leads the Sharks on the PK at 2:30 MPG.
Throw in the heavy lifting last on the team in offensive zone starts.
But he shouldn't be an NHL regular?
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Well Vlasic actually has been paired with EK 28.5% which has to be more than 5 games, one wouldn't need to watch a single minute of the Sharks this year to know that.
He has been paired with Braun 59% of the year and they do the heavy lifting at the back end 5x5 and the PK.
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Peter DeBoer isn’t actually a perfect coach, believe it or not.
This is a guy who played Micheal Haley for 58 games and Timo Meier for 34 when he had them on the same roster. This is a guy who has yet to healthy scratch Melker Karlsson, one of the worst players in the NHL, but who decided Antti Suomela, a strong #3C, needed to be sent to the Barracuda.
However, he does appear to have seen the light with Vlasic. Over the past 6 games, where the Sharks are 5-1-0, Vlasic has only been playing 17:31 per game at 5V5; that’s 4th among Sharks defensemen and 40 seconds less than Justin Braun.
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