I guess we'll just have to wait and see who has Yandle and who has Avs first rounder come July.
Haha, well that wouldn't have anything to do with the realistic factor. That would just mean it didn't happen.
Hypothetically because I know its never gonna happen , would you guys be opposed to bringing JML back, if it only cost us a 3rd rounder? Just watching the leafs game, and maybe im just getting nostalgic, but that trade still doesnt sit right with me. I think he could've helped transition barrie or elliott to the next level, and been a really solid vet d presence, that i dont think we have had since foote left. Or maybe im just buyist because he was my favorite avs d man in recent time /babbling
Hypothetically because I know its never gonna happen , would you guys be opposed to bringing JML back, if it only cost us a 3rd rounder? Just watching the leafs game, and maybe im just getting nostalgic, but that trade still doesnt sit right with me. I think he could've helped transition barrie or elliott to the next level, and been a really solid vet d presence, that i dont think we have had since foote left. Or maybe im just buyist because he was my favorite avs d man in recent time /babbling
Hypothetically because I know its never gonna happen , would you guys be opposed to bringing JML back, if it only cost us a 3rd rounder? Just watching the leafs game, and maybe im just getting nostalgic, but that trade still doesnt sit right with me. I think he could've helped transition barrie or elliott to the next level, and been a really solid vet d presence, that i dont think we have had since foote left. Or maybe im just buyist because he was my favorite avs d man in recent time /babbling
It's not realistic. You're just so into the idea of Avs trading for a #1 defender that you are completely ignoring all the reasons why it won't happen. You have convinced yourself that O'Reilly might take a lower salary to pay for Phoenix. Surely you realize how unrealistic that is?
Avs like to trade for players that have a lower value, are controlled for quite some time (young RFAs) and that might be able to assume a bigger role for Avs than they had on their previous team.
Avs are much more likely to go after someone like Y. Weber, McBain, Savard and so on than they are likely to go after an expensive player like Yandle. Avs love young semi-reclamation projects.
Hypothetically because I know its never gonna happen , would you guys be opposed to bringing JML back, if it only cost us a 3rd rounder? Just watching the leafs game, and maybe im just getting nostalgic, but that trade still doesnt sit right with me. I think he could've helped transition barrie or elliott to the next level, and been a really solid vet d presence, that i dont think we have had since foote left. Or maybe im just buyist because he was my favorite avs d man in recent time /babbling
I haven't convinced myself of anything. I threw it out there as a possibility since the one thing that made him go from close to signing one of the Avs $3.5M per deals to where were at now, is the way the team treated him. Colorado was the team that did that not Phoenix or some other team. Of course I'm into the team trading for a #1 defender, how could you not see the need for that, and how do you expect to get one? You didn't really rebut any of the points I made.
Maybe you mean to be using another word than unrealistic, I don't know. Was it unrealistic that they would trade Shattenkirk and Stewart for EJ before that happened? Was it unrealistic they would trade an unprotected 1st for Varly? Sherman is capable of doing that trade. Whether he wants to, or whether it happens is different from it being unrealistic.
Not to mention that Liles was permanently in Sacco's doghouse because Sacco always wanted "a little bit more" out of Liles. I'm not sure the exact terms of Liles' NTC, but I'm sure he'd do whatever he could to not play under Sucko again.
I'd probably do it. I'm of the opinion that O'Reilly doesn't want to come back, so this team needs to bring in a young top 3 defenseman for him.One way or the other I think the Avalanche will end up with Dmitri Kulikov this season. He fills a need, is from the same draft a number of Colorado's young players are from, is having a slow start to the season, and plays for a team doing a tail spin.
O'Reilly and Barrie across for Kulikov and Shore. I can see it. Tallon wouldn't hesitate to pay Radar and already has acquired numerous Avalanche players.
So I guess there is one good thing about Sacco being the coach here. It'll keep Liles away.
and we get to keep O'Brien as our top PMD.
So I guess there is one good thing about Sacco being the coach here. It'll keep Liles away.
I'd probably do it. I'm of the opinion that O'Reilly doesn't want to come back, so this team needs to bring in a young top 3 defenseman for him.
Under no circumstance should the Avs be dealing their first rounder this year. You can't have two straight years without a first round pick, especially when it looks like it could be a high pick this year.
I don't think Avs will trade for a #1 defender this season or the off-season. I think they'll go with what we have now and look for minor upgrades, if they make any changes. I hope that answers your question of how we're going to get one. I don't think we will.
As for our first rounder and if we'll trade it. Avs traded for Varly in the off-season. Trading a 1st rounder when a quarter of the season is done and Avs are in 28th is a completely different thing. It's just not happening. I don't know what to tell you to convince you it won't, so let's just agree to disagree. You are free to believe it's in play.
Yeah, it's not like he would be better than 5 of the 6 defenders the avs are playing with now.
Oh he would definitely be better than some of the guys playing right now but that doesn't mean the Avs should trade for him. If they want a PMD with questionable defense, just save the draft pick and money and put Barrie/Elliott in the line up.
It wouldn't change my stance. I don't think it's smart for teams to go two straight years without a first rounder, especially in a cap era. You need cheap young talent in the lineup every few years. The Avs have Landeskog and Siemens, but no first round pick last year and the first round pick from 2010 hasn't played in two years.I'll pose the same question with you Mars, without sounding argumentative hopefully.
If it's top 5 or top 10 protected does that change your stance on giving up the 1st?
And why can't you trade a 1st, for an already developed 26 year old defenseman that you could only hope of finding in the 1st? Why is that 18 year old prospect more important than the established player that will addres
Oh he would definitely be better than some of the guys playing right now but that doesn't mean the Avs should trade for him. If they want a PMD with questionable defense, just save the draft pick and money and put Barrie/Elliott in the line up.
Being from South Florida I feel like i have a pretty good grasp on both teams situations. No way Florida does that deal. This coming from a guy who obviously bleeds burgundy and blue. Shore is looking like he could be a ROR for them. From what ive seen in limited viewings of his game so far this year he is offensivly dynamic, with surprising defense and extremely high hockey IQ. What would kill the deal is giving up Kulikov and Shore for O'Rielly and a prospect who has had trouble cracking a line up on a OFD barren team.One way or the other I think the Avalanche will end up with Dmitri Kulikov this season. He fills a need, is from the same draft a number of Colorado's young players are from, is having a slow start to the season, and plays for a team doing a tail spin.
O'Reilly and Barrie across for Kulikov and Shore. I can see it. Tallon wouldn't hesitate to pay Radar and already has acquired numerous Avalanche players.
It wouldn't change my stance. I don't think it's smart for teams to go two straight years without a first rounder, especially in a cap era. You need cheap young talent in the lineup every few years. The Avs have Landeskog and Siemens, but no first round pick last year and the first round pick from 2010 hasn't played in two years.
I love Yandle, but I wouldn't sell the farm for him. I know he's not old, but he's a few years older than the core of the team, so when they're finally ready to compete, is he going to still going to be around or in his prime? I don't think the gap between Yandle and O'Reilly is a first round pick, with or without Boyd Gordon, who is a 4th line player.