Has anyone been catching that NYR thread lately? It's hilarious how backwards their logic is.
Yeah... I know quite a bit about O'Reilly's play over the last three years as well. I even did a write up of how close O'Reilly was to all the actual Selke nominees last year.
There was at least one stat that he beat each player in, and was competitive when compared to the rest in every other stat.
There was one big difference between O'Reilly and all of the other Selke candidates to be honest, and that was +/-. If he was in the group of 4 or 5 (Can't remember which), he would have been the only player without a significant plus rating. Everyone had something like +15 or better and O'Reilly was -1 if I remember right.
I'm not sure I would really call O'Reilly a #1 center regardless of where he played on our team last year though. Yes his Selke level defense adds a serious dimension when added to his 50+ points, but I think he needs to be closer to 60+ points over and 82 game season before he could be called a bonafied #1 center.
O'Reilly really fell off in the second half of the season last year, and was clearly burnt out. The funny thing is that Landeskog actually picked up his game in the second half and scored at a 30 goal pace in the second half. Which should of meant more points for O'Reilly but it didn't
O'Reilly really does have some things to prove yet... Based on what we know I don't think his defense is going anywhere but the big question is as to if he can match or beat his 55 point production. It's a little unfortunate for him that he has decided to hold out because we would not of been able to judge him over 82 games this season. He would of had a much better chance of putting up a 70 point pace to be honest. Especially with the way Stastny started out, he would of became our #1B center almost immediately.
He's lost that opportunity or most of it anyways...
The thing is, McDonagh has a lot to prove as well. Both O'Reilly and McDonagh have the potential to be #1's in their respective positions which also have comparable value. MDZ has a bit of a 'shinny new toy' thing that's going on with him right now combined with his cheap contract. Hes stepped up in McDonagh's scoring drought, good for him. Will he keep up both his two way play and the offense? No one knows...
It's not quite the same but look at the trouble Gardiner & Kulikov have had keeping their play consistent after having already shown the ability to bring their game at a certain level. It's always 'what have you done for me lately' when it comes to how fans value players.
One of the main reasons I want Yandle and not one of these young 'new things' on defense is because hes shown consistency, and hes even put up better numbers in the past than he is producing right now. These very young defenders are so up and down, and when they are up they are untouchable and seriously overrated as the next Norris candidate.
Another thing about O'Reilly is the fact that he wasn't even barely on the map before last year, as far as having his defensive prowess noticed by other teams fans. So how he played those prior years basically does not matter and it wont when talking to another teams fan base.
The problem with these young medium sized offensive defenders is that if they regress, their value drops on such a massive level it's crazy. If O'Reilly does not put up 60 points a year hes still seriously valuable in the defense and intangibles he brings. Hes the 'safer' bet IMO... Which gives his value a bump (again IMO).
MDZ & McDonagh don't have Johnson's size to add to their skating and defensive prowess. Look how valuable EJ still is even without his offense. These guys just don't have that going for them and there is no safety net at all.
Think about M. Staal, his offensive ability hasn't blown up into the 40 plus point level but hes still at least a #2 level defender like EJ. I'm just really worried about trading for some of these young offensive #1/2 defenders. Obviously young players are going to have their ups and downs but it's hard to tell and even harder to sell as to which one or at what level their play will continue with consistency.
Yandle is the safest guy we could go after IMO. Ok, crap I wasn't planning on writing this much but I went off on a bit of a tangent, because I've been staying out of those threads for the most part but they are getting under my skin a bit. (But so is this team in general...)