Confirmed with Link: Hynes gets multi-year extension

[glenwo2]

If Hall extends it seems to me that like it or not his relationship with Hynes will play some role in it. Doesn’t mean Hynes is the long term answer but if he is the tiebreaker between Hall leaving and staying he is worth his extension.

Sadly, you are correct.

As much as I'd love to drop-kick Hynes into the next zipcode, if he is the factor that leads to Hall re-signing with us despite everything, so be it.

Perhaps THAT is the MAIN reason why Shero re-signed him to that multi-year deal.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Sadly, you are correct.

As much as I'd love to drop-kick Hynes into the next zipcode, if he is the factor that leads to Hall re-signing with us despite everything, so be it.

Perhaps THAT is the MAIN reason why Shero re-signed him to that multi-year deal.

Or because he's a good coach and you don't fire people when you are staying the course and have goaltending/injury issues

 

[JimEIV]

You gotta be nuts to believe that Hall is going to base a 60, 70, 80 million dollar decision on his relationship with a particular coach. It's almost a fairytale thought.

His like for the city Hoboken will play a bigger role than some random coach... every player knows a coach can be here one day and gone the next....you aren't making an 8 year decision based on an NHL coach who has an average lifespan of less than 3 years.

 

[Triumph]

It's just one more thing, though. If Hynes is fired, there's almost no way they can bring in a new permanent head coach this season. So it means Hall would be signing a big contract without playing a game for the new coach. Guys certainly do this all the time, but in Hall's spot it doesn't make a lot of sense to do so.

 

[My3Sons]

You gotta be nuts to believe that Hall is going to base a 60, 70, 80 million dollar decision on his relationship with a particular coach. It's almost a fairytale thought.

His like for the city Hoboken will play a bigger role than some random coach... every player knows a coach can be here one day and gone the next....you aren't making an 8 year decision based on an NHL coach who has an average lifespan of less than 3 years.

It’s one factor among many. I doubt it’s zero percent of the equation. If Torts was the coach and he hated him it would make it easier to leave for example. I don’t think anyone is suggesting it’s the primary factor Hall would consider. I see it as a tie breaker sort of thing. If he is on the fence maybe it helps steer him towards staying put. The primary factor is almost certainly money. Everything else falls inline after that.

 

[JimEIV]

It's just one more thing, though. If Hynes is fired, there's almost no way they can bring in a new permanent head coach this season. So it means Hall would be signing a big contract without playing a game for the new coach. Guys certainly do this all the time, but in Hall's spot it doesn't make a lot of sense to do so.

That is a fair point.

But I am thinking Hall is making a long term decision and at least in my thought process, coaching wouldn't be one of the top considerations for a long term commitment?

Can I win here? Is this team set up to succeed in the future? Do I buy into Ray's vision? Do I like the environment and culture of the team? Do I have confidence in ownership to do whatever it takes to win? Can I spend the next 8 years of my life here?

Then maybe coaching comes into my thought process.

 

[My3Sons]

That is a fair point.

But I am thinking Hall is making a long term decision and at least in my thought process, coaching wouldn't be one of the top considerations for a long term commitment?

Can I win here? Is this team set up to succeed in the future? Do I buy into Ray's vision? Do I like the environment and culture of the team? Do I have confidence in ownership to do whatever it takes to win? Can I spend the next 8 years of my life here?

Then maybe coaching comes into my thought process.

I think Hynes is part of a number of those items. The coach sets the tone in the room day to day. Hynes is part of Shero’s vision of how the team should play. Etc.

 

[JimEIV]

And when you know that if you were the MVP and played for a Canadian team you probably would've gotten more in endorsements than your total existing contract... you seriously have to decide if it is worth playing in anonymity in New Jersey.

 

[glenwo2]

@Bleedred

Or because he's a good coach and you don't fire people when you are staying the course and have goaltending/injury issues

A "good coach" doesn't have a player, who was playing the best hockey that night(Jesper Bratt), log only 13 minutes of total ice time.

And when you know that if you were the MVP and played for a Canadian team you probably would've gotten more in endorsements than your total existing contract... you seriously have to decide if it is worth playing in anonymity in New Jersey.

Tell me how those "endorsements" worked out for him in Edmonton.

He's been there, done that.

Frankly, he's been on record saying he loves the anonymity of being here and no one bugging him on the street like the Media did hounding his every step in CANADA(Edmonton).

(there's a video out there of him saying as such but I can't find it. It was of him talking to us, the viewers, while walking in Hoboken)


EDIT : of course, make no mistake, though.

MONEY TALKS. It will all come down to that.

Everything else is supplementary to his decision and I think Shero re-signing Hynes, making sure there's stability at the HC position, was more for ensuring Hall remains a Devil than giving Hynes a vote-of-confidence.

Shero isn't stupid.

 

[devilsblood]

@Bleedred



A "good coach" doesn't have a player, who was playing the best hockey that night(Jesper Bratt), log only 13 minutes of total ice time.
.

Have we already forgotten that Jesper Bratt completely faded last year because of fatigue?

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

That is a fair point.

But I am thinking Hall is making a long term decision and at least in my thought process, coaching wouldn't be one of the top considerations for a long term commitment?

Can I win here? Is this team set up to succeed in the future? Do I buy into Ray's vision? Do I like the environment and culture of the team? Do I have confidence in ownership to do whatever it takes to win? Can I spend the next 8 years of my life here?

Then maybe coaching comes into my thought process.

Agreed. I don’t think Hynes factors into it much at all. And if that’s the main reason Ray is keeping Hynes on board than we have bigger issues. Hall can like Hynes all he wants but if you’re going to sign somewhere for 8 years, you’d have to assume that your current coach likely won’t be there throughout even under the best of circumstances.

 

[devilsblood]

I think Hynes is part of a number of those items. The coach sets the tone in the room day to day. Hynes is part of Shero’s vision of how the team should play. Etc.

Ya, and the fact that Shero extended him in the midst of a bad season does signal that Hynes is more then just a random coach. Hynes is part of Shero's plan.

So if Hall also has faith in Hynes, I can see that carrying weight.

Now even though it might help, that doens't mean Shero signed Hynes to help keep Hall. I think he extended Hynes because he believes in him.

 

[glenwo2]

Have we already forgotten that Jesper Bratt completely faded last year because of fatigue?

Have we already forgotten that last year was....LAST YEAR?

That perhaps Bratt improved his conditioning so he can play more minutes?

Not his fault if the Head Coach is STUPID as to treat him like he was still a camp invite / rookie.


Are you kidding me with this take? Come on, man.

 

[JimEIV]

Ya, and the fact that Shero extended him in the midst of a bad season does signal that Hynes is more then just a random coach. Hynes is part of Shero's plan.

So if Hall also has faith in Hynes, I can see that carrying weight.

Now even though it might help, that doens't mean Shero signed Hynes to help keep Hall. I think he extended Hynes because he believes in him.

Which is the most frieghtening aspect of all of this.

 

[haak84]

Or because he's a good coach and you don't fire people when you are staying the course and have goaltending/injury issues

Team effort and structure issues predate any goaltending or injury issues. Let’s be honest. This team was horrible on 3 on 3. They were really bad at holding onto leads in the beginning of the season. It was defensive issues and bad system hockey that led to those breakdowns.

When the devils were clearly not a good team and being outmatched by Tampa/toronto then the goaltending/injury issues took over. This team looked good for a 4 game stretch. That’s it.

This team is top heavy and horrible on the road because hynes has no answer to other teams having the last change.

 

[haak84]

Which is the most frieghtening aspect of all of this.

Yeah he had the same trust in bylsma in Pittsburgh but he had better goaltending and two players who are much better than hall.

 

[JimEIV]

Yeah he had the same trust in bylysma in Pittsburgh but he had better goaltending and two played who are much better than hall.

If I am not mistaken Shero has only hired two coaches in his entire GM career... Bylsma and Hynes...

Ooof.

 

[haak84]

If I am not mistaken Shero has only hired two coaches in his entire GM career... Bylsma and Hynes...

Ooof.

Both from the penguins AHL affiliate

 

[JimEIV]

Both from the penguins AHL affiliate

Both more cheerleaders than strategic leaders

 

[Triumph]

Hynes may not last past this season, but the paradigm of hiring a new coach every 3 years seems very bad.

The bye week is going to determine a lot. Are the Devils going to change up how they play when they come out of it?

 

[devilsblood]

Have we already forgotten that last year was....LAST YEAR?

That perhaps Bratt improved his conditioning so he can play more minutes?

Not his fault if the Head Coach is STUPID as to treat him like he was still a camp invite / rookie.


Are you kidding me with this take? Come on, man.

Not in the least, is last year that long ago that we now want Bratt to be playing 20 minutes a night?

Could Bratt have played a couple more minutes? Sure. Is the fact that he didn't an indication that Hynes is a bad coach? I think that is a pretty questionable take.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

If we had the people that constantly talk about "structure" and "the system" hop up on a white board right now and explain themselves they would have no idea what to do.

 

[devilsblood]

Hynes may not last past this season, but the paradigm of hiring a new coach every 3 years seems very bad.

The bye week is going to determine a lot. Are the Devils going to change up how they play when they come out of it?

You think they fire him this offseason after extending him midseason? I see no chance of that.

But I agree the stability is a positive. Now, however long that extension was(not sure if it was ever made public) it might not allow him another bad year next season. Though I'm OK with giving him next season to right the ship.

 

[devilsblood]

If we had the people that constantly talk about "structure" and "the system" hop up on a white board right now and explain themselves they would have no idea what to do.

Agree, but for us, the D-men chasing fwd's up along the boards towards the blue line is a pretty clear system thing. And I do wonder about it's effectiveness.

 

[NJDevs26]

You think they fire him this offseason after extending him midseason? I see no chance of that.

But I agree the stability is a positive. Now, however long that extension was(not sure if it was ever made public) it might not allow him another bad year next season. Though I'm OK with giving him next season to right the ship.

The multi-year part of it was made public and his contract was likely up after this year before the extension. So at least Hynes is signed through the end of the 2021 season. Not that it should prevent them from firing him early next year if they have another terrible start (barring an obvious tank offseason from Shero even worse than this last offseason).