DueDiligence
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Of course he did.Seriously?
He, like the Sens, is riding an unsustainable shooting %.
Mats Sundin had more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk does in his entire body.
Of course he did.Seriously?
He, like the Sens, is riding an unsustainable shooting %.
Mats Sundin had more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk does in his entire body.
Seriously?
He, like the Sens, is riding an unsustainable shooting %.
Mats Sundin had more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk does in his entire body.
I know I was one. Who were the others out of curiosity?Actually didn't comment in this one, but did enjoy re-reading the draft thread. I think there were 5 posters who liked the drafting of Tkachuk. The question remains though.
They should exist for posts about the game. Whether it's analysis or real time comments regardless if it's jubilation or dismay.Disagree. GDT's should exist for the analysis of the game. It's not an emotional outlet valve.
They should exist for posts about the game. Whether it's analysis or real time comments regardless if it's jubilation or dismay.
I'm disappointed that it's not a clickable linkIf people want to be amused read the first 5-6 pages of this thread:
4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk
Quite a few negative reactions; some are over the top!
I know I was one. Who were the others out of curiosity?
A huge part of what makes Stone good is that he can win battles down low and uses his size effectively. Tkachuk is a faster, more skilled version of that. Nowadays, that's how goals are scored. Look at some of the best players in the league. McDavid is not noted for having a great shot. Crosby gets all his points from working hard down low and being impossible to get off the puck. Malkin is a physical beast. Even Ovi has had to adapt his game. Raw snipers are not as effective as they used to be. Now it's all about speed and net drive. It's why Dorion was so high on Duchene, and it's why he's high on Tkachuk.
Edit: To add to that, I find it a bit silly to use numbers in NCAA as some sort of proof of his abilities. We're always warned of players with really high point totals in other leagues who clearly do not have the type of skillset that translates well to the NHL. Tkachuk clearly has the type of skillset that will translate very well to the NHL.
Irrelevant. You're trying to compare the point totals of two different players in two different leagues in order to determine how many they'll get in a completely different league? ok.
My biggest thing with Tkachuk is the fact that he's the perfect "new NHL" player. The game has changed dramatically since 10-20 years ago. Pure shooters aren't a thing anymore. "Wheel snipe celly" pure skill perimeter players aren't a thing anymore. Premier stay-at-home defensemen who chip the puck off the boards aren't a thing anymore.
Now the game is all about pace, possession and net drive for forwards. What do you think makes Crosby so good? It's not just his stickhandling and shooting skills, it's also his tenacity down low. Nobody works harder than Crosby down low, which drives possession. Malkin? Same thing. McDavid? raw pace. He doesn't have an elite shot, but he makes up for it in raw pace and net drive. I could keep going down the list of top players in the league, and guarantee you that they do atleast 2 of those 3 thing better than most players in the league
Brady is the perfect player for that. He's a big fat green checkmark for all 3. The big thing that stood out to me this pre-season is his ability to drive the net, but also have the vision to make small passes in tight to open players around the net. He's going to be an absolute gem. I'm really really really figgin' high on him right now. I'm not even thinking about his character or "intangibles" right now. I'm just talking about his pure technical abilities as a hockey player.
Brady is going to be a top 15 scorer at some point in his career.
There I said it.
I haven't felt this strongly about a young player since I saw Karlsson's first pre-season with us back in 2009. I have to be honest, I was a little bit skeptical coming into pre-season, but he's blown me away. His vision is much much better than I thought it would be. He's the real deal. This whole "intangibles" and character stuff is just the cherry on top.
Spot on. People here seem to have a diffent interpretations of what 'skill' means.
I'd say that Brady has a very unique skillset. Not just because of his "character", but because of his technical abilities on the ice. His ability to drive the net and make plays happen down low and in tight around the net are outstanding. This is absolutely a 'skill'. yet some people around here will try to say this is character/intangibles in a derogatory way. Now is character/intangibles a driving factor behind this unique skillset? Absolutely. But some people seem to struggle wraping their head around this. It's not a simple skill vs character black and white comparison.
Predicted he'd be good but not this good...like with Chabot considering our owners refusal to invest I'm already thinking whether the team can afford him down the line, hopefully they move them at max value and not at minimum value to string along another lie management has told like recently with EK and Hoff.
So for year 1, he put up the same points as his brother with 9 additional goals, playing on the worst team in the league.Higher PPG than Zadina after two full NHL seasons. Have better production than his brother in same time frame. I'd happily eat crow then, just don't see it.
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keep the point gap between him and Zadina to under 10.
I just want to point something out as I've read this on these boards a lot. Brady playing on the worst team in the league probably helped his point totals as he was given more ice time and top 6 minutes immediately.So for year 1, he put up the same points as his brother with 9 additional goals, playing on the worst team in the league.
I just want to point something out as I've read this on these boards a lot. Brady playing on the worst team in the league probably helped his point totals as he was given more ice time and top 6 minutes immediately.
Those are all good points that you bring up showing Matt and Brady being in comparable situations.That's kind of a lazy argument when the stats are out there to assess this directly. Here's what the numbers say:
It doesn't hold that well for this particular comparison.
- They were both 8th in TOI/GP on their teams.
- Brady got 1:20 more ice time per game than Matt in their year one season (about 9-10% more time), and 13 seconds more power play time per game (both about 2 mins per game).
- Pretty much all the difference for the even strength TOI was driven by Brady's added minutes in the last 20 games of the season post house cleaning, where he played a lot with Brian Gibbons (19pts) in place of Mark Stone (73pts).
- Matt played mostly on Calgary's 2nd line with Frolik(44 pts) and Backlund(53 pts) that year.
- Brady obviously had better support playing with Stone for a good part of the year (73 pts) and White (41pts). But statistically his most productive period for points and goals was in the last 20 games of the season when he was playing with Gibbons.
So very slight edge to Brady in terms of opportunity, but edge to Matt in that he played on a better team.
Put it all together, and I'll take Brady's extra 9 goals and declare him to be the hands down winner of the comparison. But let's see what next season brings.
So for year 1, he put up the same points as his brother with 9 additional goals, playing on the worst team in the league.
Be a better player than Zadina, Hughes, Boqvist, Dobson, Hayton and Wahlstrom.
Now that Tkachuk's first season is in the books, is it fair to say that the early critics are relatively happy with the pick?
I am not bumping this thread to mock or insult anyone. Various posters had their doubts and reservations about Tkachuk both prior to and after we drafted him. They had their reasons and made their assessments and opinions based on what they knew at the time. They didn't know what we know now, so their opinion could be drastically different after seeing Tkachuk's first season in the NHL.
I am genuinely interested in hearing the updated opinions of any early critics/pessimists. If you want to share your opinions I will read them. If you would like, you can even explain the concerns you had and what about Tkachuk's performance changed your concerns and warmed you up to him as a player.
Obviously it is disappointing that we don't have our 2019 1st, but aside from that are we all happy we drafted Tkachuk?