That’s true, but like I said, Forsberg missed An entire year while then leading the entire league in post season scoring. There is no telling what he could have accomplished, but I see him beating Iginla. Crosby should get credit for being healthy enough, but they are still similar. Not sure if Crosby would have beaten Malkin in 2012 though, similar to Sakic in 2001.Even though Crosby’s peak was
Ruined by injuries he was still able to squeeze out 2 Lindsay’s 1 art Ross and 1 hart
There’s a clear and significant gap between Kane/Geno/Sid and Toews/Kane/Kopitar.... isBefore Sid and Geno, Toews and Kane, Kopitar and Doughty, there were these two guys Sakic and Forsberg. Terrifyingly good hockey players and the era they played in wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
You complain about Nostalgia, yet decide to use the 30 goal standard? That’s ridiculous. Don’t be that guy and create/move goalposts at will. Forsberg was just as dominant of a hockey player as all 3 of those guys, and at times more. He doesn’t have the achievements to show for it, but for what he did in his short career, it’s easy to suggest, if healthy, he would have walked away with a lot more people being convinced. It’s less “nostalgic” and more a lack of actually watching him play and believing every player from this era is superior to anyone before the lock out.Forsberg= Crosby lite. Forsbergs peak is clearly below Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin. Mcdavid has likely not peaked yet but is also clearly better. Forsberg was a great player but one of those that get glorified due to nostalgia. He never cracked 30 goals in his career.
nailed itForsberg= Crosby lite. Forsbergs peak is clearly below Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin. Mcdavid has likely not peaked yet but is also clearly better. Forsberg was a great player but one of those that get glorified due to nostalgia. He never cracked 30 goals in his career.
Nothing arbitrary about 30 goals. Even if he had scored 31 goals it doesn't really change my point. He wasn't a particularly good goal scorer. Whereas Crosby and Malkin are both elite goal scorers and playmakers.There’s a clear and significant gap between Kane/Geno/Sid and Toews/Kane/Kopitar.... is
You complain about Nostalgia, yet decide to use the 30 goal standard? That’s ridiculous. Don’t be that guy and create/move goalposts at will. Forsberg was just as dominant of a hockey player as all 3 of those guys, and at times more. He doesn’t have the achievements to show for it, but for what he did in his short career, it’s easy to suggest, if healthy, he would have walked away with a lot more people being convinced. It’s less “nostalgic” and more a lack of actually watching him play and believing every player from this era is superior to anyone before the lock out.
I mean since when is 30 goals even a standard? What about the fact that he lead all playoffs in points twice without even making the finals? That doesn’t mean more than a stupid benchmark you decided to create. Or the fact that in ‘06, he was tailing Crosby in points and assists before missing a significant amount of games.
nailed it
There's a reason why Crosby will go down as one of the top 10 players to ever play the game... and Forsberg would be lucky to squeak into the Top 50.
nailed it
There's a reason why Crosby will go down as one of the top 10 players to ever play the game... and Forsberg would be lucky to squeak into the Top 50.
I believe Crosby would have beat malkin in 2012. But it would have been a good one. Crosby was by far the best player in the world in 2010-2011. Came back and was once again easily the best player in the world in 12-13 and 13-14. 11-14 Crosby was by far the best player in the worldThat’s true, but like I said, Forsberg missed An entire year while then leading the entire league in post season scoring. There is no telling what he could have accomplished, but I see him beating Iginla. Crosby should get credit for being healthy enough, but they are still similar. Not sure if Crosby would have beaten Malkin in 2012 though, similar to Sakic in 2001.
There’s a clear and significant gap between Kane/Geno/Sid and Toews/Kane/Kopitar.... is
You complain about Nostalgia, yet decide to use the 30 goal standard? That’s ridiculous. Don’t be that guy and create/move goalposts at will. Forsberg was just as dominant of a hockey player as all 3 of those guys, and at times more. He doesn’t have the achievements to show for it, but for what he did in his short career, it’s easy to suggest, if healthy, he would have walked away with a lot more people being convinced. It’s less “nostalgic” and more a lack of actually watching him play and believing every player from this era is superior to anyone before the lock out.
I mean since when is 30 goals even a standard? What about the fact that he lead all playoffs in points twice without even making the finals? That doesn’t mean more than a stupid benchmark you decided to create. Or the fact that in ‘06, he was tailing Crosby in points and assists before missing a significant amount of games.
If you only care about offence, yes.
Forsberg was the whole deal.
This people like to say that sid and foppa are similar players... which is maybe a lil true but Crosby’s two Richards really make the differenceNothing arbitrary about 30 goals. Even if he had scored 31 goals it doesn't really change my point. He wasn't a particularly good goal scorer. Whereas Crosby and Malkin are both elite goal scorers and playmakers.
Obviously it is since you made it a point against Forsberg as if not scoring more than 30 actually means something.Nothing arbitrary about 30 goals. Even if he had scored 31 goals it doesn't really change my point. He wasn't a particularly good goal scorer. Whereas Crosby and Malkin are both elite goal scorers and playmakers.
i don’t know, not enough games on Crosbys part to say, but he definitely deserved to be mentioned as someone who would threaten for the title for sure.I believe Crosby would have beat malkin in 2012. But it would have been a good one. Crosby was by far the best player in the world in 2010-2011. Came back and was once again easily the best player in the world in 12-13 and 13-14. 11-14 Crosby was by far the best player in the world
Crosby’s clearly a better goal scorer and Forsbergs clearly a better playmaker. Obviously the gap for goal scoring is a lot bigger but just because he’s a inferior goal scorer doesn’t mean he’s a clear step below those guys. With all due respect to Hejduk he turned Hejduk into a 50 goal guy, who the f cares if he tops out at 30 goals if he’s setting his linemates up for 50
Forsberg had a ppg 1.28 in a lower scoring era, that’s roughly around crosby’s and above Malkin and Ovi. His playoff stats are close to Malkin and Crosby and a lot better than Ovi’s.
Why is it so hard to accept that he maybe, just MAYBE be on the same level as those guys?
Forsberg is not clearly a better playmaker than Crosby lol. The gap in there goal scoring is much biggerCrosby’s clearly a better goal scorer and Forsbergs clearly a better playmaker. Obviously the gap for goal scoring is a lot bigger but just because he’s a inferior goal scorer doesn’t mean he’s a clear step below those guys. With all due respect to Hejduk he turned Hejduk into a 50 goal guy, who the f cares if he tops out at 30 goals if he’s setting his linemates up for 50
Forsberg had a ppg 1.28 in a lower scoring era, that’s roughly around crosby’s and above Malkin and Ovi. His playoff stats are close to Malkin and Crosby and a lot better than Ovi’s.
Why is it so hard to accept that he maybe, just MAYBE be on the same level as those guys?
Lol this thread is full of people who have never seen Forsberg play in his prime. The Sedin twins can beat Ovi, Malkin and Crosby at their best but Forsberg can't? Lollll
I already said that. I guess we could agree to disagree here. Maybe clearly wasn’t the right term.Forsberg is not clearly a better playmaker than Crosby lol. The gap in there goal scoring is much bigger
Crosby’s clearly a better goal scorer and Forsbergs clearly a better playmaker. Obviously the gap for goal scoring is a lot bigger but just because he’s a inferior goal scorer doesn’t mean he’s a clear step below those guys. With all due respect to Hejduk he turned Hejduk into a 50 goal guy, who the f cares if he tops out at 30 goals if he’s setting his linemates up for 50
Forsberg had a ppg 1.28 in a lower scoring era, that’s roughly around crosby’s and above Malkin and Ovi. His playoff stats are close to Malkin and Crosby and a lot better than Ovi’s.
Why is it so hard to accept that he maybe, just MAYBE be on the same level as those guys?
This people like to say that sid and foppa are similar players... which is maybe a lil true but Crosby’s two Richards really make the difference