You disregarded the whole point I was making, on a per game basis they were nearly similar. Forsberg would've had 100+ points just about every season of his career except for a few if he played the full season (just like Crosby) except Crosby actually managed to have a few more of those seasons. Forsberg would've been capable of putting up a top 20 career atleast with better health and longevity. This is a case where trophy counting makes the gap appear much bigger than it actually was.
How would Peter Forsberg perform in today’s game at his peak?
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You disregarded the whole point I was making, on a per game basis they were nearly similar. Forsberg would've had 100+ points just about every season of his career except for a few if he played the full season (just like Crosby) except Crosby actually managed to have a few more of those seasons. Forsberg would've been capable of putting up a top 20 career atleast with better health and longevity. This is a case where trophy counting makes the gap appear much bigger than it actually was.
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His multiple top 10 finishes in Selke voting say hey And no just because he’s by far the superior player. Insulting to Crosby really
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Forsberg blows away Malkin defensively and he was actually more consistent from year to year despite his own injury issues.
Only forwards I would take over Foppa is McDavid, Crosby and maybe Ovechkin.
Peak Forsberg scored 106 points in 75 games. In a full season in 2009 or 10 he could've won the Art Ross or possibly Hart.
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Forsberg was 32 in ‘06 and was among the top players and among the top playmakers. Prime Forsberg would dominate. Not sure if he would be better than McDavid, but definitely up there.
The only reason I would take Ovechkin over him is health, but even then I probably wouldn't. I think in a few years time McDavid will be the best of them all though by a fair bit..
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hockey was more physical when forsberg was playing... not to mention all the stickwork... so yeah he would maintain his physicality and be dominant.
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No player during or after Forsberg's peak, could dominate and dictate the game like he could - offensively and defensively.
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Reputation is everything, Top 10 multiple years ? Source ? I feel guilty insulting an almost as good generational talent.
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No, more like Malkin. Crosby have played through injuries in the playoffs several times (like many others), but not really that often in the regular season.
113 points and the Art Ross Malkin got 12 first place votes that year. No chance in hell Forsberg challenge Ovechkin that year.
Why would you think that comparing point totals from different seasons straight up makes any sense?
At his peak, he is challenging for the best player in the world like he was when he played (aside from Mario).
He would have won the last two Art Rosses at his peak
(ducks the incoming barrage of McDavid supporters)
He would have won the last two Art Rosses at his peak
(ducks the incoming barrage of McDavid supporters)
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Players are much more skilled today, but the clutch & grab made it much harder to score points during his peak years.
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You have to be a fan of the Red Wings to really understand what kind of player Forsberg was.
I tell you that I've never seen a forward who can truly dominate play-offs like Forsberg did in his prime. Only Malkin was at that level of domination since then. So in my opinion he would be the best player in the world now.
I tell you that I've never seen a forward who can truly dominate play-offs like Forsberg did in his prime. Only Malkin was at that level of domination since then. So in my opinion he would be the best player in the world now.
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I like to think he would go easier in the hits department, slow the game down and as a result prolong his shifts. That would be his trick.
That couldn't be done in the era where defenders were allowed to do just about anything to strip you off the puck because Forsberg didn't have the luxury of a big frame like Mario and Jagr had, thus he couldn't just contain the violent attempts and mind the puck for a long time without losing his steam like Mario and Jagr did. When sticking his butt out to protect the puck along the boards, he also became a target for the crosscheck in the neck whenever a big enough defender was behind him, and he often received one or two. He had to give back while maintaining the puck and then do something quickly because his steam was running out fast.
So I think he would be in less of a hurry and his production would increase compared with how it looked back in the nineties.
People who think his production would be Datsyuklike think wrong I think. Forsberg's ceiling was much higher, as he was one hell of a playmaker. Give him a decent sniper and some respectable PP crew, 80 assists a year are a given.
That couldn't be done in the era where defenders were allowed to do just about anything to strip you off the puck because Forsberg didn't have the luxury of a big frame like Mario and Jagr had, thus he couldn't just contain the violent attempts and mind the puck for a long time without losing his steam like Mario and Jagr did. When sticking his butt out to protect the puck along the boards, he also became a target for the crosscheck in the neck whenever a big enough defender was behind him, and he often received one or two. He had to give back while maintaining the puck and then do something quickly because his steam was running out fast.
So I think he would be in less of a hurry and his production would increase compared with how it looked back in the nineties.
People who think his production would be Datsyuklike think wrong I think. Forsberg's ceiling was much higher, as he was one hell of a playmaker. Give him a decent sniper and some respectable PP crew, 80 assists a year are a given.
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And he had godlike hands... He could stick handle with the best of them while banging people to the ground. He was without a doubt the best player who ever came out of Sweden but he had very few prime years since he played the game harder than his body could handle. Also, with his feet acting up his skating wasn't the same either the last years. During his prime he was a good skater.
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Forsberg won his Art Ross 8 years after his rookie season, with 4 top 10 points finishes before that(2,4,5,9) and 6 top 10 finishes in assists and 8 top 10 PPG finishes....all in a matter of 13 years with only 5 of them playing 70 or more games.....that’s pretty remarkable. This is the same guy who took a year off to recover, only to start in the post season, ultimately leading the playoffs in points and assists and not reaching the finals.
It gives us an idea that IF healthy, he would have done some serious damage stats and hardware wise, but that was always his demise. Who knows if he would or wouldn’t play just as physical in this era. He wouldn’t have to nearly as much, but that was part of his game. He was an elite playmaker with a power forward style, that’s what made him so dangerous. Same thing with Lindros, who’s physical style complimented his skillset and made him a more dangerous player. But you never know, they could adjust without being so physical, this era definitely would help that transition.
What we do know is he didn’t have any trouble adjusting to the post lock out era. His body simply couldn’t handle it anymore. But this era is Taylor made for players like him. Big, strong, tough on the puck, great defensive awareness, and an ability to control the pace.
We are talking about an era with guys like Sakic, Modano, Sundin , Fedorov and Lindros, with veteran players like Oates, Francis, and Yzerman still maintain top level productivity. And that’s just for center alone.
I mean over the last few years, we have Crosby, Malkin, and McDavid.....after that it’s guys like Giroux, Seguin, Backstrom, Tavares, Getzlaf, Stamkos, etc.....I feel Forsberg is competing with the big 3 compared to everyone else.
I feel like We didn’t get to see Crosby and Forsberg truly at their bests, so it’s hard to say who would/wouldn’t beat who. I’m sure Forsberg from ‘01-‘04 is very similar to Crosby’s ‘11-‘14. Both peaking, both had success, but cut short early each time by injuries. I mean 2011 Crosby was a monster, while Forsberg missed the entire ‘02 season.
It gives us an idea that IF healthy, he would have done some serious damage stats and hardware wise, but that was always his demise. Who knows if he would or wouldn’t play just as physical in this era. He wouldn’t have to nearly as much, but that was part of his game. He was an elite playmaker with a power forward style, that’s what made him so dangerous. Same thing with Lindros, who’s physical style complimented his skillset and made him a more dangerous player. But you never know, they could adjust without being so physical, this era definitely would help that transition.
What we do know is he didn’t have any trouble adjusting to the post lock out era. His body simply couldn’t handle it anymore. But this era is Taylor made for players like him. Big, strong, tough on the puck, great defensive awareness, and an ability to control the pace.
I would say bottom line forwards are more skilled. The talent pool is deeper, But the top end talent is not how it used to be.
We are talking about an era with guys like Sakic, Modano, Sundin , Fedorov and Lindros, with veteran players like Oates, Francis, and Yzerman still maintain top level productivity. And that’s just for center alone.
I mean over the last few years, we have Crosby, Malkin, and McDavid.....after that it’s guys like Giroux, Seguin, Backstrom, Tavares, Getzlaf, Stamkos, etc.....I feel Forsberg is competing with the big 3 compared to everyone else.
I feel like We didn’t get to see Crosby and Forsberg truly at their bests, so it’s hard to say who would/wouldn’t beat who. I’m sure Forsberg from ‘01-‘04 is very similar to Crosby’s ‘11-‘14. Both peaking, both had success, but cut short early each time by injuries. I mean 2011 Crosby was a monster, while Forsberg missed the entire ‘02 season.
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