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Value of: Gudas/Simmonds package deal to Toronto
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I don't get Leafs fans obsession with thinking Brown has any significant value. He's a 25 year old winger on pace for 25 points and had 28 points last season. He's not some young prospect with a big upside. He is what he is, a bottom 6 forward. He would essentially have the same role as Raffl early in his career or Read the last 2-3 years. He's a useful player and I would take him on the Flyers for the 3rd line until a younger guy is ready to take that spot and then he could be a 4th liner with the ability to fill in on the top 9 if needed but I'm certainly not entertaining the thought of Simmonds going the other way for that kind of player.
Don't think the Leafs make a major deal here and Simmonds is a UFA and we would simply not be able to afford him, he would be a rental. Leafs don't need Simmonds scoring, they need his grit and Toronto can find that with a cheaper asset. Look closer to the deadline for a possible addition.
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Note. Grit and scoring in your top 6, versus grit on your 4th line is a completely different beast.
The problem with the leafs is Kapanen has been in a showcase spot recently with Nylander out so he's projecting very well right now. Given his previous role his numbers will drop again.
The problem for the flyers is simmonds and gudas separately get more unless they can aggregate the plusses into something of value. The flyers are loaded with prospects and the additional depth guys aren't really od interest so dealing them together may get what they want.
Simmonds + Gudaa for Nylander + 1st
The problem for the flyers is simmonds and gudas separately get more unless they can aggregate the plusses into something of value. The flyers are loaded with prospects and the additional depth guys aren't really od interest so dealing them together may get what they want.
Simmonds + Gudaa for Nylander + 1st
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And the original trade suggested by a Flyers fan was:
Simmonds (50 games this year plus the playoffs, then he will be a UFA who will command more than the Leafs can afford
For
Kapanen (a 22 year old already far out pacing Simmonds point totals, who will be an RFA and remains under team control for another 5 more years)
Brown (a decent swiss army knife type player on a reasonable contract for another year after which he will still be an RFA)
1st round in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019
I think that Flyers fans need to be much more realistic.
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And the original trade suggested by a Flyers fan was:
Simmonds (50 games this year plus the playoffs, then he will be a UFA who will command more than the Leafs can afford
For
Kapanen (a 22 year old already far out pacing Simmonds point totals, who will be an RFA and remains under team control for another 5 more years)
Brown (a decent swiss army knife type player on a reasonable contract for another year after which he will still be an RFA)
1st round in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019
I think that Flyers fans need to be much more realistic.
The flaw in your argument here is that Swedish Gretzky isn't a Flyers fan. Given his posting history (pretty much exclusively in Leafs threads), he's a Leafs fan.
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Toronto fans think the rest of the league is their farm team. More so than any other fan base here's how it goes...
Toronto fan posts a lopsided trade asking for value in return for futures and spare parts.....3rd and 4th line types... LOL then a decent majority of their fanbase says that's even too much...Wild stuff, truly.
Toronto fan posts a lopsided trade asking for value in return for futures and spare parts.....3rd and 4th line types... LOL then a decent majority of their fanbase says that's even too much...Wild stuff, truly.
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This is atrociously bad for the flyers.
This has prob been asked in here before, but really don’t want to read through 8 pages...
Simmonds (ext) for Nyl, picks/prospects worked out wherever needed. How would you guys go about it assuming it would be a good fit. I feel like it would benefit both teams well
Simmonds (ext) for Nyl, picks/prospects worked out wherever needed. How would you guys go about it assuming it would be a good fit. I feel like it would benefit both teams well
As a flyers fan, that would be a very bad deal for Toronto, unless the flyers unprotected first was included, and that won't happen.
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I just read Kapanen+Sandin+1st for UFA Simmonds....while there are bad proposals from Leafs fans...it's going both ways.
How does a right wing fit out needs badly? We have three right wingers outplaying him.
Yeah it’s so nuts that we don’t want to give up serious assets for a 30 year old right winger on an expiring contract on pace for 40 points. What a bunch of assholes we are.
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Great job at trying to deflect. I'll play along, we BOTH have Amnesia Gudas (on a good contract) wasn't part of the original conversation.
Even if Gudas wasn't part of it, power forwards on expiring contracts, mid level defenseman (or even one that hasn't played all year) go for quality assets all the time at the deadline for teams seeking a Stanley Cup, they pay a premium. If you don't like the cost get out of the game, someone else will pay ..
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I will say again, if a team steps up and pays a package like Kapanen+Sandin+1st fir Simmonds...more power to them, i hope it's not Toronto. If the Leafs are to overpay (slightly) for a player mentioned in this thread, Gudas would be the one as D is actually a needed upgrade, and Gardiner may be moved if they know they are not re-signing him (although i doubt it).
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