Value of: Gudas/Simmonds package deal to Toronto

[Martin Skoula]

Yet every year firsts are used. 5 to be exact last year.
Here were the powerhouse names traded:
Nash - UFA
Kane - UFA
Hartman - RFA
Statsny - UFA
Tatar - Term

Note. None of those deals were a 1st round pick alone.

I, if you read, never said Kapanen should be part of the deal. What I'm saying, is Philly is going to want more than a first alone or a first and real junk; for Simmonds. That's a player that's going to get a haul if I've ever seen one. What team wouldn't want him for a playoff run?

He plays at a 15 goal/41 point pace in the playoffs. He does average over a minor penalty a game though.

 

[tony d]

Simmonds would be a good pickup for Toronto, not sure about Gudas though.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

If Leafs give up they first pick... it would be for a defense... not a third line player

 

[Whaleafs]

We need Gudas more than Simmonds, but as an upcoming UFA, a pick and prospect would be worth it to acquire him too. Not sure what the main piece going out would be. Preferably Brown & Zaitsev.

 

[Starat327]

We need Gudas more than Simmonds, but as an upcoming UFA, a pick and prospect would be worth it to acquire him too. Not sure what the main piece going out would be. Preferably Brown & Zaitsev.

Adding negative value to a package doesnt usually help your cause. If you want us to take Zaitsev, its gonna cost more.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

What about?

Simmonds

For

Kapanen
Brown
1st round in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019

I think thats fair

Brown and a third, that's fair.

 

[StoneHands]

Yup...those 3 will/should take a big chunk. But the Flyers have approx 35 million in cap space for next year. So they have lots of wiggle room.

And that's with AMac's 5 million fully on the books.

Lots of options.

I'm terrible with buyouts, I assume AMac's hit would be 2 years at a little less than $2m per? Should make for an interesting summer if Morin comes back and looks good at camp and Myers can't be denied a roster spot.

 

[TML1967]

We need Gudas more than Simmonds, but as an upcoming UFA, a pick and prospect would be worth it to acquire him too. Not sure what the main piece going out would be. Preferably Brown & Zaitsev.

If you can swing a deal for Gudas/Simmons for Brown/Zaitsev+ some combination of our Forward prospects (Bracco, Moore, Engval) or picks I could see that as being beneficial for both teams.

Gudas (retained to 2.5-3m)+Simmonds for Brown+Zaitsev+Engval+Bracco+2nd+3rd?

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Kapanen is either included or philly trades him elsewhere, Eastern Conf.

Okay trade him elsewhere.

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

If you can swing a deal for Gudas/Simmons for Brown/Zaitsev+ some combination of our Forward prospects (Bracco, Moore, Engval) or picks I could see that as being beneficial for both teams.

Gudas (retained to 2.5-3m)+Simmonds for Brown+Zaitsev+Engval+Bracco+2nd+3rd?

How is this beneficial for the Flyers?

 

[Starat327]

If you can swing a deal for Gudas/Simmons for Brown/Zaitsev+ some combination of our Forward prospects (Bracco, Moore, Engval) or picks I could see that as being beneficial for both teams.

Gudas (retained to 2.5-3m)+Simmonds for Brown+Zaitsev+Engval+Bracco+2nd+3rd?

That's putrid.

 

[Liferleafer]

Adding negative value to a package doesnt usually help your cause. If you want us to take Zaitsev, its gonna cost more.

No need to add Zaitsev. We would bring in Gudas to replace OZ on the 3rd pairing...if he plays well enough to bump Zaitsev down...then great.

 

[TML1967]

How is this beneficial for the Flyers?

Engval is a tall, big guy who uses his body to protect the puck and is fast as hell. Doesnt hit allot. But he has the speed to be a middle 6 guy.
Bracco is buried in the Leafs org. He is a guy who is a top 6 guy, and is not gonna replace Marner or Nylander. Has always shown to be a sick play maker at every level. (Im also a Vancouver fan, and ive been telling them to trade for him since day one)

Brown is younger, cheaper and has more years left than Simmonds. Simmonds is by far the better player, but if they dont think they are re signing him, a trade makes sense. Brown on most teams (IMO) is a middle 6 guy. We will see what he can do with Hyman suspended as he is playing with Marner/Tavares.

Zaitsev is a #4, who PKs. He isnt anything special, but as a #4 he is fine. We simply cant afford to pay him what hes worth and he has a few years left.
2nd+3rd are pretty straight forward.

Simmonds for Brown+Engval+2nd
Gudas (retained) for Zaitsev+Bracco+3rd

 

[Starat327]

No need to add Zaitsev. We would bring in Gudas to replace OZ on the 3rd pairing...if he plays well enough to bump Zaitsev down...then great.

Thats entirely feasible. Zaitsev is a non-started for us. If we move Gudas, its because we a) think Myers is ready or b) Are giving up on the season. Zaitsev's contract makes him infinitely less valuable to a team like the Flyers.

The Flyers are also already full on mid 6 projected prospects, so adding them ( in any amount) does nothing for us. If both players are going out, we're getting a little more quality and a lot less quantity, thats all.

 

[Tripod]

Engval is a tall, big guy who uses his body to protect the puck and is fast as hell. Doesnt hit allot. But he has the speed to be a middle 6 guy.
Bracco is buried in the Leafs org. He is a guy who is a top 6 guy, and is not gonna replace Marner or Nylander. Has always shown to be a sick play maker at every level. (Im also a Vancouver fan, and ive been telling them to trade for him since day one)

Brown is younger, cheaper and has more years left than Simmonds. Simmonds is by far the better player, but if they dont think they are re signing him, a trade makes sense. Brown on most teams (IMO) is a middle 6 guy. We will see what he can do with Hyman suspended as he is playing with Marner/Tavares.

Zaitsev is a #4, who PKs. He isnt anything special, but as a #4 he is fine. We simply cant afford to pay him what hes worth and he has a few years left.
2nd+3rd are pretty straight forward.

Simmonds for Brown+Engval+2nd
Gudas (retained) for Zaitsev+Bracco+3rd

This is just worth very little to the Flyers.

Zaitsev is an overpaid Dman. We have one of those in AMac.
Brown is not a middle six. He is a bottom 6 at best. And in Philly, he certainly will never pass TK or Voracek so it's 3rd liner at best.
Bracco....see Brown. Never touching the top 6 in Philly.
Engval...see above.

It's really quite simple, the Flyers would want 1 good piece vs 6 lesser ones. If trading Simmonds and Gudas, next year looking at:

Giroux Couturier Konecny
JVR Patrick Voracek
Lindblom Frost ????
Laughton Vorobyev NAK
Weise

Provy Ghost
Sanheim Hagg
Morin Myers
AMac

Now could Brown step into that F spot next year...sure...maybe. But the Flyers also likely have Allison and Laczynski and maybe Farabee graduating from NCAA who could make the team.

But all those other lesser pieces mean very little to Philly since they are packed with prospects. If a team is getting Simmonds AND Gudas, expect to pay something the Flyers want/need. Not a 4th liner who could play in the top 9. Other teams will beat this offer easily. Instead of giving the Flyers 6 "meh" back....give 2-3 better things back....or 1 thing we really want/need.

 

[Jtown]

simmer and gudas would be a huge addition to toronto and would provide them with some much needed toughness. I think negotiations would have to begin with Kapanen and go from there.

 

[mdm815]

The thing is this isn’t a trade that we need to make work from a philly standpoint. If Simmonds is made available as a rental at the deadline, it won’t just be the Leafs calling. Same with Gudas, though personally i wouldn’t entertain moving him.

They’re the best pieces we would be moving this year and there really haven’t been many offers that are reasonable to both parties.

 

[Tarmore]

To get a player that is needed (desired) now - simple answer. You got to give something to get something unless you are of the opinion that by offering scraps it will return something valuable.

The other option is to wait and let one of your young defenders graduate.

I VERY much prefer option 2.

Lived thru the 80, 90 & 00 where we probably traded away more 1st rounders than we drafted (I know it's not that bad but felt like it). We are a good team and I think tossing in a 1st into every trade proposal is pretty goofy.

 

[Sundinisagod]

simmer and gudas would be a huge addition to toronto and would provide them with some much needed toughness. I think negotiations would have to begin with Kapanen and go from there.

They would also end there.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I'd love to add this duo, most def not giving up Kapanan though.

Something like

1st + 2nd + Brown + Bracco or similar prospect

for

Simmons + Gudas

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Except they're nothing alike, typical laffs fans ignorance

Youre right, polak isint a dirty player

 

[mja]

I'd love to add this duo, most def not giving up Kapanan though.

Something like

1st + 2nd + Brown + Bracco or similar prospect

for

Simmons + Gudas

That doesn't get it done from Philly's perspective. We'd far prefer quality over quantity.

 

[Larry44]

Do Leaf fans want JVR back? Take him for futures at 50% retained!

 

[Sundinisagod]

That doesn't get it done from Philly's perspective. We'd far prefer quality over quantity.

I'm sure you would, but most trades for UFA are quantity type deals.

 

[dubplatepressure]

What about?

Simmonds

For

Kapanen
Brown
1st round in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019

I think thats fair

^ this was one funny.