Post-Game Talk: GM 4: Canucks @ Sharks - Bye, Bye AV

[jimmythescot]

As a division winner, the best the Canucks can draft is 24th.

That is such a stupid rule.

 

[Grumbler]

Wow 3 ppg that had got to be the most ******** reffing I ever seen.

 

[Grumbler]

Oh I see its Kelly Sutherland. ROFL, ofcourse we lose. What is amazing is they decide to throw that ref in for an elimination game eh?

 

[vanuck]

There is a lot to criticize but not Kassian.

Your posts are so always so wildly inaccurate and so often hurtful that it destroys any credibility that you might be seeking. I don't know if you are reverse trolling (being a fan of another team but pretending to be a Canuck fan to avoid mod intervention) but I think that has to be a strong suspicion here.

I lol'ed.

 

[Grumbler]

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/5/8/can...-2013-playoffs-in-truly-fitting-fashion/score

haha wow, we were outchanced 28 - 7 in game 4, outchanced both in even strength and pp time and Henrik still thinks we played well...

This team needs to rebuild, their time is over.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I have no sympathy at all for this team.

You cannot complain about anything when you know SJ are going to get calls and you try and finally show up in Game 4.

It would also help if they could kill a penalty which they couldn't.

It's just one excuse or another with this team. Time for some major changes.

 

[thenextone]

Forget killing penalties...Vancouver couldn't win a faceoff

 

[steffi]

I've watched the Canucks all season and that play by Bieksa is typical of what he's done all season. It's typical for a defenceman to do that when the player is screening the puck of obstructing the defenceman's access to the puck. I would like to see Canuck's trade Kassian before anybody else. He's been mostly useless all season. Roy is looking to be another Booth and Lapierre after his penalty minutes in the previous game is on thin ice. Bieksa has been inconsistent all season. Burrows is really the only player who can hold his head up high and say he consistently added something to the team during the playoffs. Kesler is probably still banged up. Higgins has been soft lately. Alberts is often nowhere to be seen. Unfortunately it's just not offense that's missing it's effort by the whole team that's been lacking in these playoffs. For that the coach has to accept some responsibility.

 

[Addison Rae]

Yeah let's trade Kassian when his value is low! Buy high, sell low! Kassian worked hard in most cases and was as effective as I wanted him to be. He's getting underrated.

 

[Tiranis]

Kassian had great playoffs given what his role was. Season could've went very different had AV not split him and the Sedins up. They could've actually developed chemistry, Kassian could've developed better and who knows what would be.

 

[thefeebster]

As a division winner, the best the Canucks can draft is 24th.

False. As a division winner and being 5th in points amongst those winners, the highest we can draft is 22 and the lowest is 26.

If MTL loses, then the lowest becomes 25th, etc etc.

 

[Samzilla]

Not that we deserved to win this series but the officiating here was ridiculous even by modern NHL game management standards. The raw stats scream WTF.

PP minus PK time:
SJS 20:40
STL 8:11
MIN 8:05
OTT 6:22
NYR 5:54
NYI 4:25
ANA 4:11
TOR 3:25
BOS -3:25
DET -4:11
PIT -4:25
WSH -5:54
MTL -6:22
CHI -8:05
LAK -8:11
VAN -20:40

Why not just put in writing that come playoffs Nucks must spend close to 10% of game time in the box over and above the opposition and be done with it?

Wow. The differential is 2.5x more than the next closest team. 2.5x more! That's insane.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

lol at trading the 21 year old power forward making $800k

 

[y2kcanucks]

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/5/8/can...-2013-playoffs-in-truly-fitting-fashion/score

haha wow, we were outchanced 28 - 7 in game 4, outchanced both in even strength and pp time and Henrik still thinks we played well...

This team needs to rebuild, their time is over.

Ouch. I didn't think our play was THAT bad. Yikes!! The Sedins got absolutely destroyed last night.

 

[steffi]

lol at trading the 21 year old power forward making $800k

You thought that that performance against Chicago meant that all the inconsistency shown during the regular season was not important that that the Canucks could possibly go deep into the play offs. Unfortunately the Canucks peaked too soon and it was not to be.

Kassian took too many penalties which I believe cost us regular season games to the extent that changes the seedings in the playoffs it matters.

Canucks have had all year to correct what was wrong with their game and nothing's changed all season to consistently show they had righted what was wrong. It is true that they were affected by injury and Tanev in particular is a big loss for the playoffs.

 

[PhilMick]

You thought that that performance against Chicago meant that all the inconsistency shown during the regular season was not important that that the Canucks could possibly go deep into the play offs. Unfortunately the Canucks peaked too soon and it was not to be.

Kassian took too many penalties which I believe cost us regular season games to the extent that changes the seedings in the playoffs it matters.

Canucks have had all year to correct what was wrong with their game and nothing's changed all season to consistently show they had righted what was wrong. It is true that they were affected by injury and Tanev in particular is a big loss for the playoffs.

Wtf?!

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

You thought that that performance against Chicago meant that all the inconsistency shown during the regular season was not important that that the Canucks could possibly go deep into the play offs. Unfortunately the Canucks peaked too soon and it was not to be.

Kassian took too many penalties which I believe cost us regular season games to the extent that changes the seedings in the playoffs it matters.

Canucks have had all year to correct what was wrong with their game and nothing's changed all season to consistently show they had righted what was wrong. It is true that they were affected by injury and Tanev in particular is a big loss for the playoffs.

.... You must not have been reading my posts this season. I wrote off the Canucks in February.... but Kassian is the least of the teams problems and potentially one of the only future bright spots.

 

[Samzilla]

Nothing like going on a 6 game losing streak to end the year.

 

[Jack Tripper]

terrible goaltending, terrible special teams and terrible faceoff % will pretty much lose you 100 games out of 100 regardless of how much the refs try to screw you over

i can't believe how much credit the canucks are getting in this thread for actually showing the necessary playoff urgency in an elimination game...we saw in the third periods of games 2 and 4 what pace the team is capable of playing, but it shouldn't be missed that the team was pretty much mia for the rest of it

i also have a tough time believing the even-strength argument looking at the scoring chance data...the canucks were absolutely slaughtered in games 3 and 4 based on chances

definitely should be some accountability from the league for that brutal display of officiating but in a week it'll be long forgotten when the team realises they've been swept and have lost 10 of their last 11 playoff games...absolutely brutal and i won't shed any tears when vigneault gets fired next week and core players get moved in the offseason

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Wtf?!

I had to read it a few times... my head started to hurt.

I moved on...

 

[bigchief12]

Too much being made about the officiating. Canucks had some key calls and non-calls go their way too. They weren't able to overcome the adversity that you need to in order to win the cup. Whoever wins will not be talking about all the little things that didn't go their way.

 

[Jyrki]

Manny's loss is definitively underrated. He got so much **** in this board, but without him the PK went to the toilet and so did our faceoff ability. He was a far more important cog than what most cared for.

Among our players - I try so hard to not do it, but I have to single out Bieksa. He seemed to be on the ice for every Sharks chance - untimely pinches, turnovers under slight pressure, getting beaten wide, taking himself out of the play and bad penalties. If GMMG has to ship out someone from our core, it's gotta be him.

 

[ItsAllPartOfThePlan]

Manny's loss is definitively underrated. He got so much **** in this board, but without him the PK went to the toilet and so did our faceoff ability. He was a far more important cog than what most cared for.

Among our players - I try so hard to not do it, but I have to single out Bieksa. He seemed to be on the ice for every Sharks chance - untimely pinches, turnovers under slight pressure, getting beaten wide, taking himself out of the play and bad penalties. If GMMG has to ship out someone from our core, it's gotta be him.

I agree, but he does have an NTC. Will be tough to move him. In the end, if someone from our core moves, it will probably be Edler.

 

[Fa Ci La]

Manny's loss is definitively underrated. He got so much **** in this board, but without him the PK went to the toilet and so did our faceoff ability. He was a far more important cog than what most cared for.

Yep this. Beyond stupid they went into the season with no back-up for a guy they knew was a highly likely chance of being scratched. He was basically replaced in the line-up with Ebbett...so we replaced a player with a highly specialised role (basically take d zone face-offs, win it, clear it, get off) with a jack-of-all-trades sorta guy....unsurprisingly it was a disaster. oh well.

 

[Foundational Player]

Manny's loss is definitively underrated. He got so much **** in this board, but without him the PK went to the toilet and so did our faceoff ability. He was a far more important cog than what most cared for.

Among our players - I try so hard to not do it, but I have to single out Bieksa. He seemed to be on the ice for every Sharks chance - untimely pinches, turnovers under slight pressure, getting beaten wide, taking himself out of the play and bad penalties. If GMMG has to ship out someone from our core, it's gotta be him.

Agree with your points. Losing Manny was devastating to this teams ability to gain possession and get the puck down the zone for the first 20-25 seconds. Would have made a difference in this series even if his contribution would have been limited to faceoffs.

Also found Bieksa to be the biggest liability on the backend. But before judgement is handed down lets see what injuries are revealed to the likes of Bieksa and Schneider. Thought it was very obvious that K.B couldn't skate with ease. Thought he played better tonight on account of not moving around as much and just keeping himself between his man and the net. But yeah, his defensive iq is probably the weakest on the backend.

Really really, missed Tanev on the right side this series. Would have decresed Bieksa's minutes. But those the breaks!