Post-Game Talk: GM 4: Canucks @ Sharks - Bye, Bye AV

[Pip]

This somehow points to a problem elsewhere how, seeing as there has been what 8 different referees, do you really think they conspire against the canucks?
This team needs to look in the mirror, they have been blaming others for far too long, that is the reason that change is needed.

I think the refs were calling it tighter than in recent years. I remember a ton of incidences against Boston where they would throw the only punch in a scrum and not get a penalty.

 

[vanuck]

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/5/8/can...-2013-playoffs-in-truly-fitting-fashion/score

haha wow, we were outchanced 28 - 7 in game 4, outchanced both in even strength and pp time and Henrik still thinks we played well...

This team needs to rebuild, their time is over.

We did play well - we dominated them for much of regulation in terms of zone time and carried the play at ES. The problem is that, for all their hard work out there, we are just incapable of creating chances, and that's a huge flaw of the system we have in place. All that effort and we got 5 measly chances out of it... it's why the coach has to go.

Also, special teams and goaltending were the difference.

 

[y2kcanucks]

We did play well - we dominated them for much of regulation in terms of zone time and carried the play at ES. The problem is that, for all their hard work out there, we are just incapable of creating chances, and that's a huge flaw of the system we have in place. All that effort and we got 5 measly chances out of it... it's why the coach has to go.

Also, special teams and goaltending were the difference.

Or simply put: we aren't that good. People need to accept this.

 

[biturbo19]

Manny's loss is definitively underrated. He got so much **** in this board, but without him the PK went to the toilet and so did our faceoff ability. He was a far more important cog than what most cared for.

Not that losing Manny didn't have a significant impact on the whole 'zone deployment strategy' and puck possession, the PK, etc...

But it's not like Manny played in our Cup run, aside from parachuting in for the last series as a shell of his former self for a few games. That run was done without him, so it's hard to really say he was among the most critical of cogs in the wheel. The team showed they could do it without him.

 

[Jack Tripper]

We did play well - we dominated them for much of regulation in terms of zone time and carried the play at ES. The problem is that, for all their hard work out there, we are just incapable of creating chances, and that's a huge flaw of the system we have in place. All that effort and we got 5 measly chances out of it... it's why the coach has to go.

Also, special teams and goaltending were the difference.

canucks had alot of zone time considering how terrible they were at faceoffs but alot of activity was around the perimeter, cycling down low and trying to feed it back to the point for blocked shots...alternatively the sharks were creative off the rush and swarmed the crease when the opportunity presented itself

and yeah, special teams and schneider in games 3 and 4 were an absolute trainwreck

 

[luongo321]

Don Cherry talking about the nuck series right now.

'if the gm had any guts, he would have traded him before.' (talking about schneider was his value was really high.)
'you gotta have guts'

He's calling out gillis. He said AV is a good coach.

Ron MacLean way trying to bring up the power plays in the series and Don Cherry said he didn't even want to talk about it.

 

[jigsaw99]

Don Cherry talking about the nuck series right now.

he said Schneider never played in playoffs before this. WRONG!

really hope he would talk about the reffing...

 

[Hammer79]

Don Cherry talking about the nuck series right now.

Cherry - MG didn't have the guts to trade Schneider when his value was high before the deadline.

*nods*

 

[jigsaw99]

omg Cherry ****.

AV sucks

the team didn't suck only because of the goalie controversy.

#FIREAV

 

[Hammer79]

he said Schneider never played in playoffs before this. WRONG!

really hope he would talk about the reffing...

He said he didn't want to talk about Bieksa and Sedin's penalties, but from his facial expressions you could tell he didn't like them. Probably didn't want to get into it because he's got the referee cheerleader in Ron Maclean sitting next to him.

 

[luongo321]

omg Cherry ****.

AV sucks

the team didn't suck only because of the goalie controversy.

#FIREAV

Don't worry, jigsaw99, AV will be gone. Finally!

 

[Hammer79]

omg Cherry ****.

AV sucks

the team didn't suck only because of the goalie controversy.

#FIREAV

He's saying that they could have gotten a real top 6 C for Schneider, and they could have just rolled with Luongo. It's not because he thought they didn't get along or whatever...

What did AV have to work with anyway? His hands were tied on the Schneider thing, he had to play him even though he played poorly in the series.

 

[Lard_Lad]

Remember that Cherry and Gillis have a history: during Cherry's year in Colorado, Ray Miron, the GM, refused to send Gillis to the minors because he was a first-rounder on a big contract. Cherry wanted no part of him but was stuck with him for most of the season and Gillis, who was supposed to be a scorer, wound up with Dale Weise-like numbers.

 

[PhilMick]

He said he didn't want to talk about Bieksa and Sedin's penalties, but from his facial expressions you could tell he didn't like them. Probably didn't want to get into it because he's got the referee cheerleader in Ron Maclean sitting next to him.

I really wanted him to get into it

 

[jigsaw99]

He's saying that they could have gotten a real top 6 C for Schneider, and they could have just rolled with Luongo. It's not because he thought they didn't get along or whatever...

What did AV have to work with anyway? His hands were tied on the Schneider thing, he had to play him even though he played poorly in the series.

Cherry doesn't know what he is talking about.

He said Schneider never played playoffs before this year which is untrue.

What did AV have to work with?

only the team deemed favorite with home advantage and he can't even get 1 win. It's his fault for over playing Bieska-Edler and getting the Sedins to play dump and chase. It's his fault for never settling on lines to build chemisty before the playoffs instead of doing last minute line juggling experimenting in beggining of the playoffs. It's his fault to play Andrew Ebbett. It's his fault the first 3 games our strategy is to get one man fore checking throwing hits with no 2nd man puck support. How does AV have his hands full with Schneider?? Is Schneider Cody Hodgson? How hard is it?

 

[604]

Keep in mind that if it wasn't for two missed open nets we are likely 2-2 (Hansen game 2, D. Sedin game 4).

I'm not blaming those players, I'm just trying to make sure everyone knows the difference between winning an losing is pretty small.

 

[Jack Tripper]

Cherry - MG didn't have the guts to trade Schneider when his value was high before the deadline.

*nods*

cherry probably thought that kevin bieska was the best vancouver player in the series

and as has been previously noted cherry (and most toronto media in general, for example steve simmonds calling gillis 'creepy' and all the trade deadline rumour crap) have never liked gillis for a whole host of personal reasons

 

[opendoor]

Cherry - MG didn't have the guts to trade Schneider when his value was high before the deadline.

*nods*

I take it you (and Cherry apparently) have been asleep for the last year when Luongo has asked to be traded?

 

[Hammer79]

Cherry doesn't know what he is talking about.

He said Schneider never played playoffs before this year which is untrue.

What did AV have to work with?

only the team deemed favorite with home advantage and he can't even get 1 win. It's his fault for over playing Bieska-Edler and getting the Sedins to play dump and chase. It's his fault for never settling on lines to build chemisty before the playoffs instead of doing last minute line juggling experimenting in beggining of the playoffs. It's his fault to play Andrew Ebbett. It's his fault the first 3 games our strategy is to get one man fore checking throwing hits with no 2nd man puck support. How does AV have his hands full with Schneider?? Is Schneider Cody Hodgson? How hard is it?

He hasn't really... 3 starts in the LA series where he wasn't the starter, a start in the Chicago series and another relief appearance. Luongo definitely has more playoff experience, hard to argue against facts there.

Who deemed us the favorites? Our fans? Most analysts had it as a pick-em series. Do we know for sure the Schroeder was healthy? He missed some AHL games down the stretch too. Ebbett was the only servicable option he had.

Yeah, big mistake putting two of our best offensive D-men together to try and generate offense, while putting the two most defensively responsible together for a shutdown pairing.

Schneider was MG's designated starter. If he starts Luongo in an elimination game, he's questioning his GM's judgement. That ought to go over well in the meetings where he's trying to keep his job.

Keep in mind that if it wasn't for two missed open nets we are likely 2-2 (Hansen game 2, D. Sedin game 4).

I'm not blaming those players, I'm just trying to make sure everyone knows the difference between winning an losing is pretty small.

This could easily have been a 2-2 series. All the puck luck went against us.

I take it you (and Cherry apparently) have been asleep for the last year when Luongo has asked to be traded?

I take it you don't comprehend why that would be? Maybe it was because he wants the net, and he was getting split duty with Schneider. He didn't want to force Schneider out of town if there was a way to swing moving him to Florida, but the South East dream is dead. Make him the starter again by trading Schneider, and that problem goes away.

 

[jigsaw99]

He hasn't really... 3 starts in the LA series where he wasn't the starter, a start in the Chicago series and another relief appearance. Luongo definitely has more playoff experience, hard to argue against facts there.

Who deemed us the favorites? Our fans? Most analysts had it as a pick-em series. Do we know for sure the Schroeder was healthy? He missed some AHL games down the stretch too. Ebbett was the only servicable option he had.

Yeah, big mistake putting two of our best offensive D-men together to try and generate offense, while putting the two most defensively responsible together for a shutdown pairing.

Schneider was MG's designated starter. If he starts Luongo in an elimination game, he's questioning his GM's judgement. That ought to go over well in the meetings where he's trying to keep his job.



This could easily have been a 2-2 series. All the puck luck went against us.



I take it you don't comprehend why that would be? Maybe it was because he wants the net, and he was getting split duty with Schneider. He didn't want to force Schneider out of town if there was a way to swing moving him to Florida, but the South East dream is dead. Make him the starter again by trading Schneider, and that problem goes away.

wow so much fail here.

umm.. that's not what he said. He said Schneider has no playoff experience not that Lu's had more experience. no one is argueing that.

actually most analysis did have us as the favorites. No one predicted that SJS will blow us out 4-0.

Ebbett was playing wing for first 2 games. That's not Schroeder's position.

Bieska-Edler is a terrible pairing have you not been watching!??! They were over played. I lost count how many mistake Edler and Bieska made. They certainly don't deserved to play more min than Garrison-Hamhuis. What offensive?? They combined for 1 point with a goal by Edler in the last game. Im not even going to count Bieska's Torres goal.

WE DID NOT LOSE DUE TO PUCK LUCK. SJS outchanced us easily.

 

[vanuck]

cherry probably thought that kevin bieska was the best vancouver player in the series

and as has been previously noted cherry (and most toronto media in general, for example steve simmonds calling gillis 'creepy' and all the trade deadline rumour crap) have never liked gillis for a whole host of personal reasons

Fortunately though, having friends in the media is not a prerequisite to be a good GM.

 

[Derp Kassian]

Not that losing Manny didn't have a significant impact on the whole 'zone deployment strategy' and puck possession, the PK, etc...

But it's not like Manny played in our Cup run, aside from parachuting in for the last series as a shell of his former self for a few games. That run was done without him, so it's hard to really say he was among the most critical of cogs in the wheel. The team showed they could do it without him.

With Manny they probably get to the Cup finals faster especially in the Chicago series.

 

[Dado]

Well at this point it's clear 2011 was an overachievement for this core.

Glad it happened - it was a blast to live through - but time to move on.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Well at this point it's clear 2011 was an overachievement for this core.

Glad it happened - it was a blast to live through - but time to move on.

Agreed.

Our playoff history:

2009 - 2nd round exit
2010 - 2nd round exit
2011 - SCF exit
2012 - 1st round exit
2013 - 1st round exit

The trend here shows this team is a 1st/2nd round at best team, that had one lucky run. I believe that everything that could go right did go right for us in 2011, but we have lost too many of the key pieces that made us successful in 2011 and now coupled with natural regression this core will never get back to that level.

 

[jigsaw99]

Agreed.

Our playoff history:

2009 - 2nd round exit
2010 - 2nd round exit
2011 - SCF exit
2012 - 1st round exit
2013 - 1st round exit

The trend here shows this team is a 1st/2nd round at best team, that had one lucky run. I believe that everything that could go right did go right for us in 2011, but we have lost too many of the key pieces that made us successful in 2011 and now coupled with natural regression this core will never get back to that level.

I disagree for 2011 and 2012 when we were the best team in all year with the president trophy.