GDT: Game 47: Panthers @ Coyotes - FSAZ - 7PM

moosemeister

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No doubt. Chych is playing some good hockey. At 18 years old its even more impressive.

The player that is standing out to me lately is Dvo. He's not showing up on the score sheet but he is all over the place. Had a pretty nice passing attempt yesterday that McGinn missed and then almost had one himself.

Hope the points start coming for him.
 

BUX7PHX

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Seriously. It's sad it took him this long to figure that **** out.

Ummm, this is also why teachers don't give a final exam on the second day of school. Sometimes, it is laughable to think that people don't understand that you don't just put someone in the lineup and <POOF!> good things happen.

As someone has said, Tippett actually runs a more complicated scheme than people realize. So for now, let's find out who is making the right plays within that system. Find out whose motor is adjusted to the rigors of the NHL or AHL. If we are getting too far ahead of ourselves and getting confused on assignments and what to do, then we step back and simplify the process. May take 10 games, may take 25 games. Could never happen for players that have all the tools in the toolbox, but don't understand the mental aspects of the game well enough. May be a two steps forward, three steps back process for some players as they learn.

Even though there is probably no "playbook" like an NFL team gives to its players, does anyone here think that an NFL team is taught and coached every play in the playbook, starting with the first game? That doesn't happen, and it is the same way with the NHL. Tippett is bringing them along, maybe teaching more than he has in the past. He has probably not introduced every point of his system - maybe 55-70%. Maybe not even that much. If the team executes properly on the 55-70% of the system that they know, then a lot of games will look like the one last night. We may win, may lose, but we will be pretty competitive throughout.

Have patience.
 

kihekah19*

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For Yandle, the "going through the motions" idea is nothing new. May appear that he has a soft spot for Arizona, but truthfully, now that he is in a different jersey and you see him play against your team, he still has great vision and some other decent intangibles, but you always feel like he could have done more in the game. Same as it was 3-5 years ago.


I would have come out golden, had I wagered on your response. :laugh:
 

BlazingBlueAnt

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Everyone said I was crazy when I said Dvo would be our best center by the end of the season.

He's looking really good imo. Getting used to the pace of NHL play and he makes some great plays out there.
 

ClassLessCoyote

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2 wins against 2 struggling teams.

I don't see how the Coyotes are going through the growing pains when the team can't even get some big wins in a dominate fashion.
 

TheLegend

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2 wins against 2 struggling teams.

I don't see how the Coyotes are going through the growing pains when the team can't even get some big wins in a dominate fashion.


So it's your opinion that nothing has improved?? That the team got a couple of fake wins because of soft opponents??
 

Jakey53

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Pretty simple deal last night - we had vastly improved puck support, from there execution happens.

Thought on Yandle: While he's still obviously got golden vision that surpasses most on the ice, he seems like he's just going through the motions, to an extent. I feel like it's (mostly) been that way since he left. Is he truly a Coyote at heart? :dunno:

Agreed - far better support and creating a lot of turnovers for the Panthers.

The youth is starting to come on a little bit here. Burmistrov looks like a solid pickup. The other youngsters are playing with good confidence. just takes some time. If the youth were playing this way from the beginning of the year, then they would be forcing their way into bigger minutes and roles. There is a learning curve for everyone, no matter how much we want them to play in all scenarios from the start.

For Yandle, the "going through the motions" idea is nothing new. May appear that he has a soft spot for Arizona, but truthfully, now that he is in a different jersey and you see him play against your team, he still has great vision and some other decent intangibles, but you always feel like he could have done more in the game. Same as it was 3-5 years ago.

I agree with both you guys.:nod:
 

Jakey53

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Ummm, this is also why teachers don't give a final exam on the second day of school. Sometimes, it is laughable to think that people don't understand that you don't just put someone in the lineup and <POOF!> good things happen.

As someone has said, Tippett actually runs a more complicated scheme than people realize. So for now, let's find out who is making the right plays within that system. Find out whose motor is adjusted to the rigors of the NHL or AHL. If we are getting too far ahead of ourselves and getting confused on assignments and what to do, then we step back and simplify the process. May take 10 games, may take 25 games. Could never happen for players that have all the tools in the toolbox, but don't understand the mental aspects of the game well enough. May be a two steps forward, three steps back process for some players as they learn.

Even though there is probably no "playbook" like an NFL team gives to its players, does anyone here think that an NFL team is taught and coached every play in the playbook, starting with the first game? That doesn't happen, and it is the same way with the NHL. Tippett is bringing them along, maybe teaching more than he has in the past. He has probably not introduced every point of his system - maybe 55-70%. Maybe not even that much. If the team executes properly on the 55-70% of the system that they know, then a lot of games will look like the one last night. We may win, may lose, but we will be pretty competitive throughout.

Have patience.

You nailed it. I have said a million times that we need patience with a rebuild. Most don't realize how much patience is needed.
 

Jakey53

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Most don't seem to realize just how difficult not only this game is, but how tough the league is.

Correct. Even with a rebuild and multiple high draft picks does not guarantee success. The NHL is a tough league to play in and even tougher to win in.
 

kihekah19*

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Correct. Even with a rebuild and multiple high draft picks does not guarantee success. The NHL is a tough league to play in and even tougher to win in.

Yep.... maybe I overreact, but I read some of these comments and I see so little respect for what these guys go through, it's a shame.
 

Jakey53

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Yep.... maybe I overreact, but I read some of these comments and I see so little respect for what these guys go through, it's a shame.

Exactly. Even a player like Chip, Moss or any other 4th line player, would look like TGO playing against us or any other poster on this board. These guys are the best at what they do, in the world. It's really an amazing accomplishment for any player to become a NHL player.
 

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Correct. Even with a rebuild and multiple high draft picks does not guarantee success.

Hello Edmonton! Although looks like they may have finally figured it out. Trade away some of those #1s to build a team that can win. Which is why I'll say again that you should always select best player available.
 

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The NHL is a tough league to play in and even tougher to win in.

Yes, that is true of all professional sports leagues.

But the top level of any sports league is also where competitors and coaches make more money than most of us will ever see in a lifetime, and those costs are passed directly on to the fans in terms of ticket prices and other various and sundry fees (and, in the Coyotes' case, taxes that go to the team's subsidies... :sarcasm:).

So you might forgive the people who actually go to the games as consumers for their demand for ROI. Development of young players? Sure, let's be patient with that. But half-assed efforts from veterans? Endless cliches from coaches in lieu of accountability? The groundhog act from our owners when the future of our franchise is on the line? Yeah, I'll play the smallest violin in the world just for them, but outside of that I'm expecting results or changes.
 

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Seems the negative comments come predominantly from those who don't actually attend the games.

It'd be interesting to compare the location data of those complaining about the team and the "heat map" of Coyotes fans that the ownership allegedly has. :laugh:
 

RemoAZ

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It'd be interesting to compare the location data of those complaining about the team and the "heat map" of Coyotes fans that the ownership allegedly has. :laugh:

Owners knowing where the fans actually live is a lot of BS. They'll go where the money is. If the casino next to Westgate offered to built them a stadium, they'd jump all over it.

I might not be a season ticket holder anymore but I've been to plenty of games before and since. My complaining about Tippett started with having tickets in the end the Coyotes shoot twice and hasn't changed. Boring hockey played mostly in our defensive end doesn't attract the average fan and sucks even more when it's played with the clones Tippett prefers. The organization has done a good job adding skilled young players but the way they are coached to play is still boring. If he'd take more advantage of not having anything to play for and put the skilled players on the top lines and give them the majority of special teams time, it would at least be more entertaining and productive for the future. Yet he'll continue to **** away precious learning opportunities on players that won't be here next season.
 

kihekah19*

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Owners knowing where the fans actually live is a lot of BS. They'll go where the money is. If the casino next to Westgate offered to built them a stadium, they'd jump all over it.

I might not be a season ticket holder anymore but I've been to plenty of games before and since. My complaining about Tippett started with having tickets in the end the Coyotes shoot twice and hasn't changed. Boring hockey played mostly in our defensive end doesn't attract the average fan and sucks even more when it's played with the clones Tippett prefers. The organization has done a good job adding skilled young players but the way they are coached to play is still boring. If he'd take more advantage of not having anything to play for and put the skilled players on the top lines and give them the majority of special teams time, it would at least be more entertaining and productive for the future. Yet he'll continue to **** away precious learning opportunities on players that won't be here next season.


As much as I think they should stay at GRA, it's not bs. The bigger question is will these "fans" actually show up? Or, will they find every excuse in the book not to support the team?

You don't know anyone like that do you?
 

ClassLessCoyote

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As much as I think they should stay at GRA, it's not bs. The bigger question is will these "fans" actually show up? Or, will they find every excuse in the book not to support the team?

You don't know anyone like that do you?

What do you mean by these "fans"?
 

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