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Kronwall posts another -3
He's -9.
I'm sure his 10 points in 14 games will fool some.
Lashoff needs to go ASAP. Kronner needs an NHL defenseman for a partner.
Zetterberg had a rough game. 0 points -3.
He's back to +/-0 on the seasonf
Tatar 2+2 in 6 games <--- 8th in team scoring
12 minutes a night.
Bert 3+1 in 7 games with almost 16 minutes a night.
Abdelakder 1 assist in 14 games. Just on accident he should have more.
He's -9.
I'm sure his 10 points in 14 games will fool some.
Lashoff needs to go ASAP. Kronner needs an NHL defenseman for a partner.
Zetterberg had a rough game. 0 points -3.
He's back to +/-0 on the seasonf
Tatar 2+2 in 6 games <--- 8th in team scoring
12 minutes a night.
Bert 3+1 in 7 games with almost 16 minutes a night.
Abdelakder 1 assist in 14 games. Just on accident he should have more.
Having a Healthy Smith and Cola would make it look a lot better if you just kept Kronwall too.
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to be honest...today he wasnt as bad as always...but still it would be better to send him away...out of NHL
Personally. I'd leave him right where he is. Just give that whole line more minutes. They were the most effective line tonight. By far.
They couldn't call him up until a roster spot was opened by Bert going on IR.
Tatar has been looking good in every game he's been up for and Babcock isn't giving him ice-time either.
He's stuck in his ways and has some irrational intense loyalty to Dan Cleary.
Just because I'm mad at Holland doesn't mean I can't be mad at Babcock too. Both are making the wrong decisions.
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Except we then have nobody to replace our old veterans. Would much rather keep the current pace and if we fail we fail. No need to sell off our guys that can contribute now and in the future.
True...there is certainly enough blame to spread around.
I'm just more frustrated with Babcock's decisions lately, so I'm defensive when Holland gets blamed for things I perceive as Babcock's mistake.
In reality both tend to be too loyal to veterans when there are kids who can do their jobs better.
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Cleary: 14GP, 1G, 0A, 1PT, -4, 3.9 Shooting %.....16:41 TOI (3:07 PPTOI)
Kronwall now -9 through 14 games. Terrible
Exactly, the guy gets called up on gameday, barely gets a chance to practice with the team, and people here expect him to use him like a regular top 6 player and contribute.
I am not hating on Nyquist or praising Cleary with my comments in the other thread, but even just playing 11 minutes (even in the bottom 6) and practicing with the team will help him get adjusted and comfortable in the NHL, and then let his role increase. It isn't an easy step to make to jump from the AHL into the NHL, and especially not when you are just a last minute call up because Samuelsson or Datsyuk was unexpectedly injured on game day, which was the situation for each of his call ups this year.
I thought they should have used Tatar on Filppula's line and played Nyquist with Andersson and Eaves, since Tatar is more of a shooter to play with Filppula and Nyquist can play with a more familiar player in Andersson and help adjust to the NHL game on a lower line. Hopefully the Wings keep Nyquist up and let him play more than being just an emergency call up, like they have done with Tatar. Tatar is looking better and better each game now that he has been able to stay on the team longer than a 1 game call up. Nyquist has skill, I just think he needs to get stronger and get adjusted to the game better. Remember, Datsyuk didn't play with Brett Hull on game 1 of his career.
solution is simple...
switch 1st line with 3rd line and profit...
Tatar - Anderson - Eaves as 1st will be everywhere on the ice with 18min a night
on the other hand EVERY one team in NHL would like to have Zetterberg with his fellas on 3rd line so they will own everyone
wait sorry...i forgot...Cleary is there...nevermind
switch 1st line with 3rd line and profit...
Tatar - Anderson - Eaves as 1st will be everywhere on the ice with 18min a night
on the other hand EVERY one team in NHL would like to have Zetterberg with his fellas on 3rd line so they will own everyone
wait sorry...i forgot...Cleary is there...nevermind
I'm not blaming White?
I'm blaming the 3 and 4 goals on turnovers. White was #2. I already said that I couldn't blame White for his stick exploding.
Which means what? That they aren't fans anymore? No longer watching the games? We're all still here.
LA was a team that underperformed during the regular season. It happens. Don't let their seeding fool you.
on the bright side, tatar was really good, other than on EN goal.
his play in this game was why i said in 2010 that tatar reminds me a bit of zach parise (not saying tatar will be as good, though). both are energetic players who have a way of constantly moving around for openings. i also like how he gets off his shot quickly.
his improved skating, strength and D are impressive, and indicative of hard work, even though he has been dispirited at being left in AHL.
bottom 6 has been generally good in past few games.
line of andersson and tatar was the most dangerous. zetterberg did not have a great game, but he was certainly not bad, and his line was not effective. 2 of his minuses were not at all his fault.
cleary seems to be a drag on whichever line he plays.
his play in this game was why i said in 2010 that tatar reminds me a bit of zach parise (not saying tatar will be as good, though). both are energetic players who have a way of constantly moving around for openings. i also like how he gets off his shot quickly.
his improved skating, strength and D are impressive, and indicative of hard work, even though he has been dispirited at being left in AHL.
he's been really mediocre defensively this season. there have been quite a few plays where kronwall looks really dumb.
i would not say cleary disappears, his sucky play is noticeable in almost every game.
yep
bottom 6 has been generally good in past few games.
line of andersson and tatar was the most dangerous. zetterberg did not have a great game, but he was certainly not bad, and his line was not effective. 2 of his minuses were not at all his fault.
cleary seems to be a drag on whichever line he plays.
If thats the case, he should do the same to Kronwall.
Quincey is 22nd in the league in +/- and Kronwall is in 2nd last.
Tonight they had almost the exact same amount of icetime and Quincey finishes +1 to Kronwall's -3.
I don't think Quincey is a better player than Kronwall. Maybe its luck, maybe its his opposition or just the forwards on the ice with him performing better, but somehow he has been far more effective than Kronwall this season at even strength.
There was an EN goal with all the top players on the ice. Let's not get too caught up in tonight's +/- without judging it fairly.
Here's some food for thought. Mark Fistric lead the Stars in +/- a few years ago. +27! Yeah. Some fans thought he was due for a big break out season. Other people figured out +/- is a load of crap that tends to favor those that play against sheltered competition. He followed that season up with a -10. Then a -3. Then he was traded for a bag of pucks.
Yes, in this case the plus/minus is obviously an anomaly too considering Kronwall's stellar play.
No..... I'm pretty sure Kronwall has earned most of those minuses
Okay Mr. Smarmy. Who said anomaly?
I said you need to judge it fairly. Quincey is +7. That's great. But he's not better than Kronwall despite his -9. The stats say there's a 16 point spread between them. Do you think that the spread is that great between them?
I think Kronwall is playing top minutes with an AHL defender against the other team's top units every single shift. And the plus/minus reflects it's not working, but let's not get carried away.
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