Free Agency thread part II

[The Great Weal]

I could see MB trying a Bargainbin Special for Wayne Simmonds. Simmonds will likely just get show me offers of a year, maybe two.

If we strike out on all the top UFAs, then a 1 year deal for Simmonds wouldn't be the worst idea.

 

[jaffy27]

Jeez, that nervous tick of hers is ruining everything.

Was gonna post another gif but that would’ve earned me a 5min penalty and match by the mods I’m sure

 

[le_sean]

I’d give a 2nd for Poolparty but then again, that’s what you can get Kapanen for if you offer-sheet either.

Question becomes, which do we want?

Kapanen. He at least shows the ability to be very useful even if he’s not scoring. Pulju is never going to play the PK.

 

[sampollock]

The taxes in Quebec are so high, might be a factor of getting UFA to sign

 

[le_sean]

The taxes in Quebec are so high, might be a factor of getting UFA to sign

It’s actually slightly less than Ontario and similar to California and New York. It shouldn’t be as big of an issue as people make it out to be. The biggest question is if the organization is desirable.

 

[Sterling Archer]

The taxes in Quebec are so high, might be a factor of getting UFA to sign

They’re just as high in California and NY and it’s not impeding those teams.

 

[JianYang]

We can't really blame Bergevin for not getting big UFA, we don't know what were the priorities of those UFAs.

But Markov really wanted to stay here….that we know.
We also know that Radulov was loving it here. That we know.
Just like we also knew that Jagr really wanted to be a Habs.

When you're not even able to keep those who actually wants to be here, i don't really see him has being able to convince someone who is not entirely sure.

…..i just hope we don't hear that some player like Duchene or Karlsson actually wanted to come here but Bergevin kept flexing his "guns" and screw the negotiations.

The ultimate failing of that radulov/markov summer is that whatever plan he had didn't come to fruition. It was an inexcusable summer.

We can debate gainey/Gauthier's gameplan in the summer of 09 when they gutted the core by letting guys like koivu, kovalev, komisarek, and Tanguay wak, but at leat they had a plan that they were actually able to execute (signing canmaleri, gionta, gill, Moen, spacek, and acquiring Gomez via trade.)

Bergevin's response to losing Markov and Radulov was signing alzner, which seemed so random.

 

[Milhouse40]

The taxes in Quebec are so high, might be a factor of getting UFA to sign

A fact that is not talked about a lot is the fact that all players are paid in US money. So if they get 1 millions, they actually get 1.3M in canadian money.....add to that our low cost living, should make up for it

 

[ECWHSWI]

Kapanen. He at least shows the ability to be very useful even if he’s not scoring. Pulju is never going to play the PK.

who cares.

 

[yianik]

If we strike out on all the top UFAs, then a 1 year deal for Simmonds wouldn't be the worst idea.

It wouldn't, but it would likely mean we struck out as you say.

 

[le_sean]

who cares.

Just reenforcing my point that he’s useless if he’s not scoring, and he’s never scoring. Kapanen actually scores and when he doesn’t, he forechecks well and kills penalties.

 

[OldCraig71]

I wouldn't mind seeing us end up with Kapanen, what would it take?

 

[Vachon23]

If we strike out on all the top UFAs, then a 1 year deal for Simmonds wouldn't be the worst idea.

For 1 year and a low cap hit, I think he could help the PP

 

[Vachon23]

 

[habsfan891]

I wouldn't mind seeing us end up with Kapanen, what would it take?

Unless the leafs manage to trade both Marleau and Zaitsev before free agency it shouldn't take much with their cap situation

 

[Milhouse40]

Apparently the problem isbthat Edler is looking for a 3yrs deal with a NMC which means he will have to be protected in the expansion draft

 

[Vachon23]

Apparently the problem isbthat Edler is looking for a 3yrs deal with a NMC which means he will have to protected in the expansion draft

yes I hear it to, but if he waives it we don’t need to protect him or we absolutely need to protect him ?

 

[Milhouse40]

yes I hear it to, but if he waives it we don’t need to protect him or we absolutely need to protect him ?

It would be his choice in the end. Normally those kind of older player simply don't want to move...anywhere. It's really a pain in the ass….even if you're going to a better place.

 

[Vachon23]

It would be his choice in the end. Normally those kind of older player simply don't want to move...anywhere. It's really a pain in the ass….even if you're going to a better place.

But Seattle is at 3h of Vancouver so Seattle could interest him.

 

[Milhouse40]

I wouldn't mind seeing us end up with Kapanen, what would it take?

Right now, it would be to take on Marleau's contract.
It's their top priority.

As for an actual price it's hard to say, i think they will ask for either Suzuki, Poehling or our 1st round pick…..
Or MB could just make a $4.2M offer to Kapanen, which Toronto just can't match at this point with the Marner situation and the price would be a 2nd round pick.

 

[OldCraig71]

Right now, it would be to take on Marleau's contract.
It's their top priority.

As for an actual price it's hard to say, i think they will ask for either Suzuki, Poehling or our 1st round pick…..
Or MB could just make a $4.2M offer to Kapanen, which Toronto just can't match at this point with the Marner situation and the price would be a 2nd round pick.

I would part with the first round pick but not Suzuki or Poehling and I highly doubt that Bergevin or any other GM is going to offer sheet another teams players. There always seems to be speculation that it will happen but it rarely does anymore. Kapanen is a beautiful player, the sky is the limit for that kid, I really like him and I hope that we are able to get him.

 

[Milhouse40]

I would part with the first round pick but not Suzuki or Poehling and I highly doubt that Bergevin or any other GM is going to offer sheet another teams players. There always seems to be speculation that it will happen but it rarely does anymore. Kapanen is a beautiful player, the sky is the limit for that kid, I really like him and I hope that we are able to get him.

I always wonder if it's more a GM thing or a player's thing, or both….maybe there's has been many offer sheet that we will never know cause the player didn't accept it or didn't even want to know about them cause it's really a shitty move to pull in the organization you're in….and there's always the danger of the offer being match and the player being trade to the worst team possible in a close future.

 

[OldCraig71]

I always wonder if it's more a GM thing or a player's thing, or both….maybe there's has been many offer sheet that we will never know cause the player didn't accept it or didn't even want to know about them cause it's really a ****ty move to pull in the organization you're in….and there's always the danger of the offer being match and the player being trade to the worst team possible in a close future.

It would certainly put a target on your own organization for sure. The NHL is somewhat of an old boys club and there doesn't seem to be a desire to try and sabotage another team with offer sheets. Many of these guys have past connections with each other and probably have a silent agreement between them that it won't happen. The Leafs are in a tough spot and will need to be carried by their star forwards while having a not so great D core, I expect that the only way that they can help their situation is to unload Nylander for help.

 

[Runner77]

It would certainly put a target on your own organization for sure. The NHL is somewhat of an old boys club and there doesn't seem to be a desire to try and sabotage another team with offer sheets. Many of these guys have past connections with each other and probably have a silent agreement between them that it won't happen. The Leafs are in a tough spot and will need to be carried by their star forwards while having a not so great D core, I expect that the only way that they can help their situation is to unload Nylander for help.

Yeah, that silent agreement is otherwise known as collusion.

 

[Milhouse40]

It would certainly put a target on your own organization for sure. The NHL is somewhat of an old boys club and there doesn't seem to be a desire to try and sabotage another team with offer sheets. Many of these guys have past connections with each other and probably have a silent agreement between them that it won't happen. The Leafs are in a tough spot and will need to be carried by their star forwards while having a not so great D core, I expect that the only way that they can help their situation is to unload Nylander for help.

I'm sure some are very good friends and wants to play a fair game and new guys don't want to be the new jerk on the block….but i think it still can be a starting point to discuss a eventual trade.