Free Agency thread part II

[Chili]

Summer of 2016 free agency

Andrew Ladd 7 yrs $38.5 million all guaranteed
Kyle Okposo 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
David Backes 5 yrs $30 million, all guaranteed
Milan Lucic 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
Loui Eriksson 6 yrs $36 million all guaranteed
Frans Nielsen 6 yrs $31.5 million
Troy Brouwer 4 yrs $ 18 million (bought out after two)

Forget who but someone was pointing these contracts out. Probably a good reminder for all gm's about buyer's remorse and free agency.

 

[Tighthead]

The thread is about UFAs and that means none of them are going to be signed at a $1.5M salary.

Sure, if they're making close to $1M, you may have some different dynamics at play but those are not the players that generally matter as UFAs if they even exist as UFAs, they're just filler.

Indeed. I lost context.

 

[Miller Time]

Summer of 2016 free agency

Andrew Ladd 7 yrs $38.5 million all guaranteed
Kyle Okposo 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
David Backes 5 yrs $30 million, all guaranteed
Milan Lucic 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
Loui Eriksson 6 yrs $36 million all guaranteed
Frans Nielsen 6 yrs $31.5 million
Troy Brouwer 4 yrs $ 18 million (bought out after two)

Forget who but someone was pointing these contracts out. Probably a good reminder for all gm's about buyer's remorse and free agency.

Duchene & Skinner are primed to highlight a similar list in 3yrs from now

 

[417]

Duchene & Skinner are primed to highlight a similar list in 3yrs from now

Skinner wasn't a UFA signing per se...but I agree about that.

Duchene, i'm real curious how much he's going to sign for.

I've gone back and forth on whether or not i'd like to see him with the Habs, but after seeing what pending UFA Skinner got, I imagine that's going to be a price I wouldn't personally be willing to pay.

 

[tazsub3]

Summer of 2016 free agency

Andrew Ladd 7 yrs $38.5 million all guaranteed
Kyle Okposo 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
David Backes 5 yrs $30 million, all guaranteed
Milan Lucic 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
Loui Eriksson 6 yrs $36 million all guaranteed
Frans Nielsen 6 yrs $31.5 million
Troy Brouwer 4 yrs $ 18 million (bought out after two)

Forget who but someone was pointing these contracts out. Probably a good reminder for all gm's about buyer's remorse and free agency.

Non of those player was a real pure offenssive talented center. or game breaker winger like the 2 available this off season

 

[1909]

Non of those player was a real pure offenssive talented center. or game breaker winger like the 2 available this off season

Panarin is the only sure bet. Not so much Duchesne.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Summer of 2016 free agency

Andrew Ladd 7 yrs $38.5 million all guaranteed
Kyle Okposo 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
David Backes 5 yrs $30 million, all guaranteed
Milan Lucic 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
Loui Eriksson 6 yrs $36 million all guaranteed
Frans Nielsen 6 yrs $31.5 million
Troy Brouwer 4 yrs $ 18 million (bought out after two)

Forget who but someone was pointing these contracts out. Probably a good reminder for all gm's about buyer's remorse and free agency.

In all fairness, I think most people here and around knew at the time that most of those contracts were ludicrous at the time and relieved we didn’t sign any of them at those prices.

 

[Runner77]

In all fairness, I think most people here and around knew at the time that most of those contracts were ludicrous at the time and relieved we didn’t sign any of them at those prices.

It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying. Habs had the best offer to Lucic and Okposo turned them down. MB saved from himself is more like it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying. Habs had the best offer to Lucic and Okposo turned them down. MB saved from himself is more like it.

I remember Lucic but Okposo is news to me.

 

[Runner77]

I remember Lucic but Okposo is news to me.

It was news to me too until one of our posters brought it to our attention recently: Out of Town Thread Part XIX

 

[Sterling Archer]

It was news to me too until one of our posters brought it to our attention recently: Out of Town Thread Part XIX

Interesting but it’s hard to put stock in Shawn Starr and local media. It’s hard enough to put it in the top tier guys like Mckenzie etc. In any case, that’s the case for almost all teams anyways isn’t it. Outside of the Rangers, there isn’t a team that can consistently attract UFAs unless your a Cup favourite or have a super star to play with. That being said, we’re far from having either so I’m not exactly surprised that we consistently strike out on UFAs, internationally or not.

 

[Runner77]

Interesting but it’s hard to put stock in Shawn Starr and local media. It’s hard enough to put it in the top tier guys like Mckenzie etc. In any case, that’s the case for almost all teams anyways isn’t it. Outside of the Rangers, there isn’t a team that can consistently attract UFAs unless your a Cup favourite or have a super star to play with. That being said, we’re far from having either so I’m not exactly surprised that we consistently strike out on UFAs, internationally or not.

Just happy we don't have any of those guys from that UFA year. This summer has several interesting options, who knows how much mileage they get.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Just happy we don't have any of those guys from that UFA year. This summer has several interesting options, who knows how much mileage they get.

Amen. If we’re ever going to go all in on UFAs, Karlsson would be a good start.

 

[tazsub3]

Panarin is the only sure bet. Not so much Duchesne.

cant disagree with that point. Just saying that both are a class apart from the list the poster had up there as failed signings

 

[Adam Michaels]

Summer of 2016 free agency

Andrew Ladd 7 yrs $38.5 million all guaranteed
Kyle Okposo 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
David Backes 5 yrs $30 million, all guaranteed
Milan Lucic 7 yrs $42 million all guaranteed
Loui Eriksson 6 yrs $36 million all guaranteed
Frans Nielsen 6 yrs $31.5 million
Troy Brouwer 4 yrs $ 18 million (bought out after two)

Forget who but someone was pointing these contracts out. Probably a good reminder for all gm's about buyer's remorse and free agency.

The 2016 free agency class doesn't hold a candle to this year's free agency crop. The likes of Lucic, Eriksson, and Brower have nothing on Panarin, Duchene, and Karlsson. These are elite players. Those guys in 2016 were just players whose contracts were up.

I don't think signing any of these guys will make GMs regret throwing money and term at them.

 

[angusyoung]

looks pretty solid, but defense is still gonna suck

Why?
Most were sold on Kulak, Mete showed he could play with Web.
Benn did more than fine on the bottom,but will likely be gone,just need someone to take his spot

 

[hvac412]

Skinner wasn't a UFA signing per se...but I agree about that.

Duchene, i'm real curious how much he's going to sign for.

I've gone back and forth on whether or not i'd like to see him with the Habs, but after seeing what pending UFA Skinner got, I imagine that's going to be a price I wouldn't personally be willing to pay.

my feelings as well,buffalo just gave every gm heartburn.

 

[Chili]

The 2016 free agency class doesn't hold a candle to this year's free agency crop. The likes of Lucic, Eriksson, and Brower have nothing on Panarin, Duchene, and Karlsson. These are elite players. Those guys in 2016 were just players whose contracts were up.

I don't think signing any of these guys will make GMs regret throwing money and term at them.

What I took from that list is the danger of paying a player for past performance and giving them a long term. I don't see that as exclusive to that group. The longer the contract, the more risk, especially when it's all guaranteed. Contracts like Kovalchuk and Neal last summer were more of the same,

It just highlights the importance of building through the draft for me.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Duchene & Skinner are primed to highlight a similar list in 3yrs from now

Doubt it... they may be slightly overpaid but they are great skaters and they have skill.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What I took from that list is the danger of paying a player for past performance and giving them a long term. I don't see that as exclusive to that group. The longer the contract, the more risk, especially when it's all guaranteed. Contracts like Kovalchuk and Neal last summer were more of the same,

It just highlights the importance of building through the draft for me.

I said it for a while now.... go for the big fish or no fish at all. Karlsson would be a big fish! If not, we should not overpay and feel like we have to spend our cap space cause we have it. But you know our GM is not popular and some will use this against him if he don't use our cap space. Suppose to be contenders by now right?

We should continue to stock pile draft picks where we can and based on our clutter in the forward group with prospects coming, we should be able to move some of our proven depth for more futures. Keep the ball rolling

 

[Chili]

cant disagree with that point. Just saying that both are a class apart from the list the poster had up there as failed signings

I would be interested to see your list of good free agent signings at long term over the years. They seem to be more the exception then the rule.

 

[tazsub3]

I would be interested to see your list of good free agent signings at long term over the years. They seem to be more the exception then the rule.

And they are, but we have yet to have a player like panarin reach free agency. Maybe tavares. For me you pay for elite. like tavares. not a good player

 

[DubDub]

I personally think it's Duchene that signs with the Hab's. I would like this deal if it was 8 or 9x7. I really do not want to overpay for him.
My number 1 target would be Karlsson . You can't pass up this opportunity if he is available, he is a game changer! Signing him to a deal of 12x6 or 11x6 I would be satisfied with. Then do a sign or trade for a lhd, pmd. Would love for this to happen, but seems like a bit of a pipe dream.

My other top pick would be the Breadman. This kid is lights out! Give him what ever he wants if he was willing to sign. Move out the appropriate players, but do whatever is necessary to make it work. This is not a position of need but it's a talented pure goal scorer the organization can't pass on.

 

[BrendanGallagher11]

Duchene and nyquist

 

[ottawa]

Marleau is selling his house for $12M, no, real estate for the .1% is not a factor. The rich are different than you and me.

Maple Leafs' Patrick Marleau selling Toronto house for $11.888M - Sportsnet.ca

Yes, and that house would probably be a few million less in Québec. Why would a hockey player not take that into account. Everything except for gas is straight up more expensive in Toronto than Montreal.

You folks seriously underrate how much people in the GTA are getting f***ed when it comes to housing. Most expensive metro in Canada.