IrishInOntario
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2 year later Stone was traded for a good prospect. At the time Brannstrom was seen as a potentially elite offensive dman. This is the exact reason a player like Caufield had less value than fans think, he could not live up to his potential. If I’m moving FF it’s not for a maybe like Caufield or Guhlie.Stone literally got trade for a good prospect and a second and Pacioretty got trade for a good prospect a second and a cap dump.
Brannstrom was a maybe, lmao ? He was evenmore of a maybe than Caufield is at this point.2 year later Stone was traded for a good prospect. At the time Brannstrom was seen as a potentially elite offensive dman. This is the exact reason a player like Caufield had less value than fans think, he could not live up to his potential. If I’m moving FF it’s not for a maybe like Caufield or Guhlie.
MaxPac got Suzuki he’s being called an elite player in this forum.Stone literally got trade for a good prospect and a second and Pacioretty got trade for a good prospect a second and a cap dump.
I don’t really understand your point here but yes Brannstrom was seen as an elite offensive dman prospect. He was also traded for a UFA that was not coming back to Ottawa.Brannstrom was a maybe, lmao ? He was evenmore of a maybe than Caufield is at this point.
No .I maintain that Forsberg to Montreal is probably something like...
To Nashville
Drouin (money)
Caufield
Draft pick
To Montreal
Forsberg (retained to match Drouin's salary)
They'll want offensive players back if they're giving up a 1st line, 26 year old winger
MaxPac got Suzuki he’s being called an elite player in this forum.
No .
I can understand the argument that Suzuki’s position, level of play and years of control make him more valuable to Montreal than FF. But 2 seasons ago Suzuki was finishing his 3 consecutive 94+ point OHL season, WJC and 7 points in 4 games in the memorial cup. I would also argue that Montreal would say they had an idea what Suzuki would become when they made the trade. I’m not a Preds fan but some of the comments and value suggestions in this forum show a lack of knowledge about FF and the game he plays. A 30+ goal 26 year old under contract through next season carries significant value.Suzuki wasn't that when he was trade, thats with two more years of development. Id trade Suzuki of two years ago who wasn't doing much in the OHL but going through the motion and who looked very average in camp. I wouldn't do it now, Suzuki may just be as good as Forsberg as of now, and if hes not, it doesnt offset the position, age and salary difference.
Yes it does, it doesn't carry Suzuki level value, sadly.I can understand the argument that Suzuki’s position, level of play and years of control make him more valuable to Montreal than FF. But 2 seasons ago Suzuki was finishing his 3 consecutive 94+ point OHL season, WJC and 7 points in 4 games in the memorial cup. I would also argue that Montreal would say they had an idea what Suzuki would become when they made the trade. I’m not a Preds fan but some of the comments and value suggestions in this forum show a lack of knowledge about FF and the game he plays. A 30+ goal 26 year old under contract through next season carries significant value.
Laine for PLDYes it does, it doesn't carry Suzuki level value, sadly.
Again, show me a trade where a winger like Forsberg got a center player like Suzuki or Kotkaniemi.
They added Roslovic, Laine is 23 and Dubois wanted to leave.Laine for PLD
Stone was an impending UFA on an imploding team and everyone knew Ottawa couldn't keep him. If Forsberg wants to stay in Nashville, they don't have to accept any deal they don't like. I don't follow Nashville closely, so not sure if he does
I’m not a Preds fan so no “you guys”. Laine wanted out too which reduced his value and Roslovic was unsigned and wanted out. If you’re comparing Arvidsson to Roslovic it may explain your lack of knowledge about other Nashville players as well.They added Roslovic, Laine is 23 and Dubois wanted to leave.
Lets say Suzuki wanted out and you guys sent Arvidsson our way too, it would be similar.
And Ottawa knew they couldn’t re-sign him so they traded him instead of losing him to free agency.Except stone was extended immediately just like patches...
Vegas spoke with him before the trade.
Except stone was extended immediately just like patches...
Vegas spoke with him before the trade.
And Ottawa knew they couldn’t re-sign him so they traded him instead of losing him to free agency.
That's fine. I know the Habs don't want to trade any of their legitimately good prospects for a borderline elite winger, but they will eventually realize that you can't use Mete and Guhle as the key components of a trade like this.
You can only have so many untouchable players and prospects before Nashville just laughs at you.
No Suzuki
No Kotkaniemi
No Romanov
No Drouin
No Anderson
No Tofoli
No Caufield
No anybody under 30, with a pulse in our organization.. lol
I maintain that Forsberg to Montreal is probably something like...
To Nashville
Drouin (money)
Caufield
Draft pick
To Montreal
Forsberg (retained to match Drouin's salary)
They'll want offensive players back if they're giving up a 1st line, 26 year old winger
I don’t really see the point in dragging Suzuki into this. Everyone can argue the “value” back and forth ‘till they’re blue in the face...but the reality is, it’s a moot point because if the Habs are going in on a winger like Forsberg, they’re going to need their most potent offensive center in Suzuki, to actually compete. It makes zero sense to create a hole by trading him.
Even with that aside, I’d think MTL and NSH should be two fanbases who could both understand that you don’t deal good young centres for wingers...because both franchises have struggled epically to find and develop top centres over the years. You find one, you don’t let them go.
This kind of thing makes a lot more sense to me. Drouin would be a useful offensive filler piece to roll with through whatever sort of rebuild/retool the Preds are doing. And still young enough to be part of the other side if the fit is right.
And Caufield is the sort of caliber of prospect that I’d expect to see in a deal for a player of Forsberg’s ilk.
The problem is, I think Caufield can be a prettt darn polarizing prospect because of his size and the type of game he plays. Some people are going to view him substantially higher or lower in value, from person to person/one organization to the next. If Nashville view Caufield similarly to the Canadiens presumably do...cool beans, maybe there’s a deal to be made there. But if they aren’t as keen on a diminutive pure goal-scorer as a foundational building block piece of their future...other teams are going to have far more enticing prospects to offer as the centrepiece of a Forsberg deal. Unfortunately, the Habs don’t really have anything else that makes sense to offer (with Suzuki and KK off the table for completely understandable reasons), and Guhle not really doing the trick.
Agree with your prospect analysis. I completely disagree with you take on Drouin. Drouin makes $5.5, only $500k less than Forsberg and he hasn’t had a 20 goal season in 5 years. Drouin is not the type of player you win with and he’s not the type of player you want setting the example for your youth during a rebuild. If I’m the Preds and the Habs want me to take Drouin as part of the return, it would be a cap dump and the return would need to take that into account.I don’t really see the point in dragging Suzuki into this. Everyone can argue the “value” back and forth ‘till they’re blue in the face...but the reality is, it’s a moot point because if the Habs are going in on a winger like Forsberg, they’re going to need their most potent offensive center in Suzuki, to actually compete. It makes zero sense to create a hole by trading him.
Even with that aside, I’d think MTL and NSH should be two fanbases who could both understand that you don’t deal good young centres for wingers...because both franchises have struggled epically to find and develop top centres over the years. You find one, you don’t let them go.
This kind of thing makes a lot more sense to me. Drouin would be a useful offensive filler piece to roll with through whatever sort of rebuild/retool the Preds are doing. And still young enough to be part of the other side if the fit is right.
And Caufield is the sort of caliber of prospect that I’d expect to see in a deal for a player of Forsberg’s ilk.
The problem is, I think Caufield can be a prettt darn polarizing prospect because of his size and the type of game he plays. Some people are going to view him substantially higher or lower in value, from person to person/one organization to the next. If Nashville view Caufield similarly to the Canadiens presumably do...cool beans, maybe there’s a deal to be made there. But if they aren’t as keen on a diminutive pure goal-scorer as a foundational building block piece of their future...other teams are going to have far more enticing prospects to offer as the centrepiece of a Forsberg deal. Unfortunately, the Habs don’t really have anything else that makes sense to offer (with Suzuki and KK off the table for completely understandable reasons), and Guhle not really doing the trick.
Agree with your prospect analysis. I completely disagree with you take on Drouin. Drouin makes $5.5, only $500k less than Forsberg and he hasn’t had a 20 goal season in 5 years. Drouin is not the type of player you win with and he’s not the type of player you want setting the example for your youth during a rebuild. If I’m the Preds and the Habs want me to take Drouin as part of the return, it would be a cap dump and the return would need to take that into account.
Agree with your prospect analysis. I completely disagree with you take on Drouin. Drouin makes $5.5, only $500k less than Forsberg and he hasn’t had a 20 goal season in 5 years. Drouin is not the type of player you win with and he’s not the type of player you want setting the example for your youth during a rebuild. If I’m the Preds and the Habs want me to take Drouin as part of the return, it would be a cap dump and the return would need to take that into account.
everybody you listed has term. Pretty sure both Pacioretty and Stone were sign and trades. Forsberg is a rental +1 having only 1 year leftPacioretty and Stone are comparable players in terms of offensive stats. If Forsberg can’t get that kind of return you keep him. Both those guys got high end youngsters, picks +. Firs berg also has an additional 2/3 of a season if he’s traded now. A late 1st and a decent prospect isn’t enough for Forsberg. Zucker, a far inferior player got a 1st, roster player (Chucky) and a prospect (Calen Addison).