Proposal: Forsberg to MTL

[Lockin17]

Any interest in a Ekholm and Forsberg package?

as a habs fan i would totally be on these 2 players
Drouin + Chariot + Ghule/Caufield + 1rd 2021 + 2rd 2021 + Struble

 

[RationalExpectations]

You're 100% correct year after year they are really good the first month then they fall apart but this year they really had me fooled i though the great work Bergevin did would really pay off i think its time to re=evaluate when this team will be ready to contend i dont think we will with Price and Weber i think its time to try to get rid of them for some kind of good future players and hope it works out in 3 to 5 years and also a new coach is needed badly.

I was also enthusiastic at first but I was always thinking : this team only scores on the breakaway, or on quick plays, what happens when they have to play the possession game : well here we are now.

Main issue is Bergevin in my mind, he makes trades but has no timing for contention in mind and has tied himself to Julien who as been bad for years.

I don't think Price can be traded but if he could waive his NMC for SEA he could be a nice bait for a new franchise searching for a star. Weber is much less of an issue, it s but that you don't want to pair him with Chiarot because they are too slow ! And I think it is likely he ends up on LTIR in two years from now or retires.

 

[BatVader]

Go to the old PLD trade thread, find all the Habs fan offers, counter offers, and arguments, replace PLD with Forsberg and that’s where this thread is headed

 

[TBF1972]

Yeah but here we are talking about a recent mid first-round pick who was also a team canada WJC regular at 18 years old and who have done nothing but impress so far. It is far from being a lock as an NHL top 4 but he’s at least trending there and the odds are good he gets there.

If we were talking about a Cam Hillis or a similar prospect, I would agree.

Anyway, Forsberg is a 45-60 pts winger who’s a year and a half away from FA. He would surely get a good package, but no team in their right mind are ever going to pay the equivalent of 2x first, 2x 2nd and a guy who outproduced him last year.

You could make a case for a first round pick, two ~B prospects and a cap dumb but I doubt they get anything more than that from anyone in the league.

Healthy Forsberg is more like 60 to 70 points on a full schedule.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Anyway, Forsberg is a 45-60 pts winger who’s a year and a half away from FA.

Not counting the sporadic 18 games he played in the NHL as a 19 and 20 year old he's averaged .79 PPG which is 65 points over an 82 game season. He's a 60-70 point guy, who with the right linemates or just having a great season could push 75-80 points.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

Not counting the sporadic 18 games he played in the NHL as a 19 and 20 year old he's averaged .79 PPG which is 65 points over an 82 game season. He's a 60-70 point guy, who with the right linemates or just having a great season could push 75-80 points.

Playing in system where the offense runs through the defense

 

[jfhabs]

Playing in system where the offense runs through the defense

Would most likely be the same in MTL as long as Claude is the head coach

 

[jfhabs]

Pass then. Montreal can kick their tires on Arvidsson or Ekholm then.

No one is giving you a younger Forsberg* for Forsberg, come on now...

*in terms of value not style

 

[jfhabs]

Id give Caufield + 2nd

Caufield + 2nd + Tatar is essntially what we got for Pacioretty . I think that would be a fair offer.

 

[Boondock]

as a habs fan i would totally be on these 2 players
Drouin + Chariot + Ghule/Caufield + 1rd 2021 + 2rd 2021 + Struble

What is your logic for this offer?

As individual pieces - Forsberg @%50 would cost 1st + High end prospect + 2nd/prospect and player coming over to balance cap hit would simply be a curtesy. The cap piece coming back can't have longer term than the FF and Ekholm contracts, and they can't be worse players for the same money (ie there needs to be some reason for Nashville to take on the additional pieces)
Ekholm @%50 would cost a 1st + compensation for the retention + a player to balance cap if needed, restrictions on player coming back same as with Forsberg.

So

Forsberg @%50 for 2021 1st, Caufield, Struble + Chariot (if you want to use him as the cap balance, if not Nashville has very little need for a 30 year old defensive D signed for 2 more seasons - they would keep Ekholm if this is what they wanted)

So that Leaves Drouin + 2nd for Ekholm? Again I can't see Nashville having any interest in 3 years of Drouin at $500k less than Forsberg. In a rebuild Drouin has no value, his contract is bigger than his production, he is a pp specialist with sub par 5 on 5 play and no defensive understanding. He isn't physical, isn't a face off guy, he has very few redeeming qualities that would make a GM move quality pieces for.

So just to summarize with retention and the contracts proposed the Preds would be responsible for $26.3125 million in cap with retention and the Drouin and Chariot contracts. They would be adding 2 worse players to their roster but would pick up a 20-28 pick in a weak draft, a 2nd (30% chance of making the NHL) and Struble (again probably about a 30% chance of making the NHL).

Montreal would be responsible for $7.3125 in cap ($19million less than Nashville) and they would get the 2 far superior players - one a very good 2 way dman signed to a very good contract and a player that has been a top 15 LW in the entire league over the past 4 seasons also on a good contract.

Do you think this is a good proposal?

 

[ole ole]

What is a "PPG talent?"

What does that mean?

It use to mean when you average a PPG but now a days some think hockey is related to horseshoes. Where close makes it true.

 

[Soundgarden]

No one is giving you a younger Forsberg* for Forsberg, come on now...

*in terms of value not style

Ok, we don't have to trade him. He costs more than Arvidsson and Ekholm, their ask is a 1st + a good prospect or two good prospects. If Montreal doesn't like that they can go after someone else.

 

[ole ole]

There are a couple of people who don't seem to understand that its not just whether or not the acquiring team can extend a player that affects his value, but whether or not the selling team has the option of keeping him. If they can't keep him, they lose a lot of leverage.

Or could create a bidding war from certain teams wanting that player.

 

[HabsAddict]

Forsberg is NOT as valuable as PLD.

Younger. Bigger. Center. Francophone.

Knowing Bbinz history, I seriously doubt Kk is in play. Suzuki and Romanov is completely out of the question. Guhle likely too.

So a combo of 1st plus prospect plus bottom 6....maybe.

I keep pointing out that Bbinz is stingy and low risk taker. If it's not to the other teams liking, fine.

 

[ole ole]

Healthy Forsberg is more like 60 to 70 points on a full schedule.

And is still young enough to bring his game up another notch. I'm just not sure what the right deal is from the Habs.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Forsberg is NOT as valuable as PLD.

Younger. Bigger. Center. Francophone.

Knowing Bbinz history, I seriously doubt Kk is in play. Suzuki and Romanov is completely out of the question. Guhle likely too.

So a combo of 1st plus prospect plus bottom 6....maybe.

I keep pointing out that Bbinz is stingy and low risk taker. If it's not to the other teams liking, fine.

So Caulfield is fair game?

 

[ole ole]

1 of the 2 would probably have to be included for the Preds to consider. He's a 40/40 player on any other team I think. He's a great player and practically has carried Nashville's offense for the last 3 years

Is he a 40/40 player on the Habs?

 

[MSSLYNX]

Caufield + 2nd + Tatar is essntially what we got for Pacioretty . I think that would be a fair offer.

Caufield?

 

[CanadienShark]

So Caulfield is free game?

For a player like Forsberg, I think you'd have to put Caufield on the table. It'd come with a pretty significant plus too.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Is he a 40/40 player on the Habs?

Habs roll 4 lines, right? He might not be honestly.

I think for 40/40 Forsberg (which I also think is very possible) he'd need to play big minutes next to a real top-caliber center.

 

[HabsAddict]

So Caulfield is free game?

To begin with, there is an assumption that Forsberg signs a reasonable extension.

Then yes.

I'm not high on Caulfield and we need to give to get.

If Forsberg doesn't wsnt to sign a long term exyension then no trade at all.

 

[GoldOnGold]

For a player like Forsberg, I think you'd have to put Caufield on the table. It'd come with a pretty significant plus too.

I agree.

Mark Stone got who I believe was Vegas's #1 prospect at the time (Brannstrom) and a 2nd, and Ottawa did not have much leverage. We don't have to trade Forsberg.

 

[beardawg]

Is he a 40/40 player on the Habs?

Others might disagree with me, but I think so. He went 30/30 glued to the hip of Mike Ribeiro

 

[Baksfamous112]

I agree.

Mark Stone got who I believe was Vegas's #1 prospect at the time (Brannstrom) and a 2nd, and Ottawa did not have much leverage. We don't have to trade Forsberg.

Glass was and always has been Vegas #1 prospect

 

[PredsHabs]

Name your price that doesn't involve Suzuki and we'll have a haggle over it...

To Habs: Forsberg + Ekholm

To Preds: Romanov + Guhle + Caufield + 2022 3rd( becomes 2nd if either re-sign and a 1st if both re-sign) + cap to balance out

thoughts?
Romanov would help Askarov when he comes over. I think it’s a fair deal for two very good pieces that I will hate to see go but we need to build for future.