I was specifically comparing couturiers younger years where someone tried calling some bs excuse for production. couturier was also much younger in his development curve while he produced exceptional 5v5 ( he wasnt playing PP) stats. When ROR played in Colorado with better talent he produced better. That's to be expected of just about anyone.
I think we mostly agree on the issue, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse here. But I'll leave you with this. Ror had 61 points this year with garbage linemates. 23 on the PP, so 38 if math serves me, at 5v5 or other.
In 13-14, a 21 year old couturier managed 36 5v5 or non PP points. With common linemates of Steve downie, matt read, and lecavalier.
Again. The point is that they are equally impressive players who are massively underrated by fan bases who dont watch the player for 80 games a season.