Dreger: NHL Investigating Arizona Over Testing Draft Eligible CHL Players

[CupInSIX]

I guess you could argue that they would have a leg up on any sleepers in the 2nd and 3rd round - although every team is at a disadvantage without seeing how any prospects perform when it matters most.

If you take away their 2020 2nd, that leaves them with no picks until the 4th round. Anything more than that would be overkill.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

NJ should get the pick this year.

Not if Arizona wins any part of the lottery, NJ shouldn't be rewarded for Arizona's descressions.

 

[57special]

so needlessly stupid by Chayka.

 

[Voight]

Not if Arizona wins any part of the lottery, NJ shouldn't be rewarded for Arizona's descressions.

The pick is top 3 protected. If they don't land in the top 3, NJ should get the pick. Its straightforward.

The prospects Arizona cheated "with" are 2020 eligible, so they really shouldn't get a first round pick.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

The pick is top 3 protected. If they don't land in the top 3, NJ should get the pick. Its straightforward.

The prospects Arizona cheated "with" are 2020 eligible, so they really shouldn't get a first round pick.

You are saying the exact same thing I have said all thread.

 

[Mr Positive]

There would be huge benefit to Arizona in the middle rounds too, not just their 1st rounder. They won't have a 1st anyway unless they win the lottery, which would be a pick that wouldn't take a lot of info to make.

Imo, it's picks they would have in rounds 2-4 that could be their big steals with their extra intel.

I'd say those are the ones to be taken away, and also don't let them trade for picks for the 2020 draft either.

 

[CCSantini]

And Tocchet and MacLean are terrible and worthless coaches.

How so, I've heard multiple players praise him and they love playing for him.

 

[ole ole]

Come on nothing is going to happen. They fine the coyotes and the league will have to pay it

So instead of a fine take away some of their picks as the write suggested.

 

[Voight]

You are saying the exact same thing I have said all thread.

"Not if Arizona wins any part of the lottery, NJ shouldn't be rewarded for Arizona's descressions."

 

[Legion34]

So instead of a fine take away some of their picks as the write suggested.

I don’t see it. If it was toronto or Montreal or a big market they would. Arizona has been the teachers pet for a decade.

thry want Arizona to win

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

"Not if Arizona wins any part of the lottery, NJ shouldn't be rewarded for Arizona's descressions."

If Arizona wins any part of the lottery, aka 1st, 2nd or 3rd. NJ shouldn't get the pick. The league will then take the pick.

 

[Legion34]

If Arizona wins any part of the lottery, aka 1st, 2nd or 3rd. NJ shouldn't get the pick. The league will then take the pick.

IF the league decides to do this. Then the most likely scenario would be they get to give up 1 first in the next 3 years or whatever

 

[Bleedred]

How so, I've heard multiple players praise him and they love playing for him.

How man this players come out and say “That coach sucks. I would never play for him again and no other guys liked playing for him either!”?

I feel like he’s one of those guys that just doesn’t work as a head coach. It didn’t look like it worked in Tampa either, although he had really lousy goalies, which isn’t the case in Arizona. Their goalies probably make him look better, outside of that year they had Scott Wedgewood playing in all those games there. His first year there.

I feel like he got the head coaching position because of how respected he was as an assistant with Pittsburgh and the back to back cup wins. Housley got a head coaching job the same year with Buffalo, after he was an assistant for the cup runner-up in Nashville, against those Pens that year.

MacLean’s power plays have been very bad. Even in New Jersey. And his head coaching stint was likely the worst in the history of hockey.

 

[canadianmagpie]

Do you understand what "literally" means?

 

[rt]

If Arizona wins the lottery I would expect the league to take that first round pick away and NJ gets their 2021 pick. If they don't win the lottery NJ gets this years pick and Arizona loses next years 1st. Either way, Arizona can't be allowed to pick first two rounds this year with the advantage they have on the remainder of the teams.

Looking at how well they have drafted the last 3 years It wouldn't surprise me if they have been doing this for a while.

What advantage do they have? Can you tell me what happened?

 

[rt]

It’s a black and white rule though. Regardless of severity you can’t do it, and none of the other teams had the same advantage, that’s the point.

Can you post the rule? The black and white one? And then show where they broke it?

 

[rt]

so needlessly stupid by Chayka.

I'm inclined to agree based on the rumors and suggestions of stiff penalties. But I really don't know what he did or what rule he broke.

 

[rt]

I want Chayka fired for several reasons:

1. Domi for Galchenyuk then Galchenyuk and POJ for Kessel = 1 strike

2. Failing to fire Rick Tocchet AFTER acquiring Taylor Hall and watching the team backslide into oblivion. It was clear the coaching staff was a huge problem. It was clear there were available upgrades in Laviolette, Boudreau, and Gallant. Chayka failed to admit his mistake and move on from his coaching staff, and pursue obvious upgrades. He had this option when the playoffs were still within reach. That inaction = STRIKE 2

3. If the penalties play out as Strickland insinuates they may the Coyotes face the following:

2020 1st rounder = Traded (for a UFA)
2020 2nd rounder = Forfeited (NHL)
2020 3rd rounder = Traded (for a UFA)
2021 1st rounder = Forfeited (NHL)
2021 2nd rounder = RETAINED
2021 3rd rounder = Traded (for a UFA)

That's one pick in the the first three rounds of the next two drafts. One. A 2nd. And they have nothing to show for it. = STRIKE THREE

 

[Hockeyholic]

Since when has the organization not been in trouble?


They literally have 300 fans show up on game day with the least expensive tickets in the league while receiving the highest amount of subsidizing from the teams that actually turn a profit.

Should have been moved to a real market ages ago.

Bingo.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

What advantage do they have? Can you tell me what happened?

Well I come from a military background so I play the guilty until proven inocent game. I'm sure it will come out soon enough. To gain as much headway as it has to date, i assume its substantial enough. I've seen a rumor it was balance and flexibility testing.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

IF the league decides to do this. Then the most likely scenario would be they get to give up 1 first in the next 3 years or whatever

I cant see the NHL letting Arizona, under any circumstances, choose in the top 2 rounds this year.

 

[Legion34]

I cant see the NHL letting Arizona, under any circumstances, choose in the top 2 rounds this year.

The NHL literally took over Arizona. They are massively committed to the team. They will do whatever they can to make it succeed. If the team wins a top 3 pick. They will need to let them let it slide.

 

[13 others]

They (the league) need desert hockey. Can't see it ending up that bad.

Why?

 

[rt]

Well I come from a military background so I play the guilty until proven inocent game. I'm sure it will come out soon enough. To gain as much headway as it has to date, i assume its substantial enough. I've seen a rumor it was balance and flexibility testing.

The headway bit is interesting. I’ve seen Dreger tweet and Strickland tweet. I’ve seen a bunch of people piggy backing off of those.

 

[rt]

I cant see the NHL letting Arizona, under any circumstances, choose in the top 2 rounds this year.

Under any circumstances? You just admitted you don’t even know the circumstances. Can you help me understand your perspective a little better?