NotProkofievian
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I will point out, though, that Drouin and Yakupov were dYnAmIc
Such is life xD
I will point out, though, that Drouin and Yakupov were dYnAmIc
The leaf's scouting system pushed back on Yakupov and would have taken Rielly first. ie. At least one team had the right set of measurement tools to predict performance in this case.
ie. not a lottery.
Again not saying Wright isn't the guy, saying that if he's not the guy, we should be good enough to not select him.
The fact that I don't see a high ceiling in Wright is shared by quite a few pro scouts, and has been covered in the media at length - so maybe we could stop stating opinions as facts. Because I certainly think that anyone saying that Wright has the highest ceiling has food poisoning or something like that lol. But who knows.
You can frame it as you wish.
You compared this (Wright's ceiling?!!)
2004-05 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 62 66 102 168 84 78 13 14 17 31 16
To that:
2021-22 Kingston Frontenacs OHL 63 32 62 94 22 23 11 3 11 14 0
And you expect people to believe you when you claim it's a case of an overanalysis of a player?
Evidence: I've been watching Wright for 2(3) years, and I've never seen him take over one important game. I've seen Chromiak do it (while he was playing with Wright)...that's the evidence. Future first-liners take over important games. Instead of insulting the intelligence of others as a consistent habit, maybe you would be taken more seriously if you dug a little deeper.
I specifically did not talk about Slafkovski finding another gear, I talked about Nemec or Cooley (because they have shown some hints of that). I don't think Slaf has so much room for another gear (like Wright).
His game will mature in the next year + when he'll get to the NHL.
Babysitting rookies lol come one it's guys his own age. Wright should make them better, he's supposed to be the best player. He started producing at a higher pace when he started playing with two older players.
I have seen alot more of Wright than you have and I respectfully am in 100% disagreement with you.....Prior to this season he very much alligned with Crosby and I have quite clearly laid out potential explanations for his production being lower than most had hoped.
Comparing scoring between generations and different leagues is also a huge mistake.
I listed what I perceive to be a Suzuki (+) floor and a Crosby (-) ceiling, which is entirely fair given his last 3 years. If you only want to cherry pick the data that conforms to your ridiculously low projection then you are not part of a reasonable discussion. Given the ceiling and floor that I provided there is a large variance of potential outcomes that I believe he will eventually settle into. Unlike your projection I have left room for multiple development outcomes with somewhere between Crosby light and Suzuki 2.0.......if you want to solely fixate on the improbability of reaching his absolute ceiling that I have proposed then it would appear as though your underlying motive is more contrarian based than critical analysis. I think it is more likely that he is closer to the floor that proposed than the ceiling. To say that you would absolutely rule out ant possibility of him scoring over 100 points as a true center is either purposely argumentative or you just haven't paid close attention to other players who achieved such heights despite not being expected to in their draft year. To be clear once again, because I smell a strawman heading my way, I never said that he might become Crosby but that his ceiling is a hair below Crosby which would be a center who can put up 100+ points and play his position honestly.
As for you claiming that you never said that Slafkovski might have another gear ....."while one of Nemec, Jiricek, Slaf, Cooley, find another gear under pressure"
If you are going to be contrarian at least put in an honest effort to hide it lol
You still listed Slafkovsky as possibly having another gear....my reading is fine. And Wright is a far superior skater to Tavares which is why I prefer Crosby light over a Tavares comparison. Are you able to distinguish the difference between a lesser version of Crosby and actually becoming Crosby as it is becoming apparent that you either don't want to acknowledge that as the comparison that I made or reading comprehension is not an area of strength for you. Obviously it is more likely that he ends up with Tavares' production than Crosby's but that is not his ceiling, nor was it Tavares' ceiling. Making linear correlations from junior stats to NHL projections is a fool's errand and Wright has superior tools to Tavares but falls a little short of Crosby.....hence the Crosby-lite ceiling. Wright has elite IQ and has an elite shot to go with very good to potentially great skating in all areas and plays a strong two way game. He is already strong and will end up being very tough to knock off of the puck when he is closer to 210lbs in a few years. I never made an exact comparison to Crosby-lite so don't bother muddying the waters with the minutia of his game relative to Wright's as comparisons are generally dumb, which is why I chose to create a vague projection on the borders of his projection range.More than 60 games of Wright? (probably seen 80 games) - have you seen a meaningfully different sample size?
Crosby is not in another meaningfully different generation / cross league difference for a guy like Crosby are not very relevant.
I don't really care if you think Im relevant or not to the discussion - you keep trying to outkast folks as opposed to providing sound arguments.
Naming Crosby with Wright is nonsense, pure and simple.
Not the same type of player
Not the same size
Not the same skills
Not the same skill level
Not the same ambition
Name a better ceiling from a player that is comparable to Wright, Tavares. A ceiling of Tavares is a good ceiling. If you compare Tavares numbers to Wright, they are still better, but I can accept that Wright might be Tavares and get comparable points.
This is what I actually said:
This is the doubt that exists, that you are buying a good 2nd line center without the capability to win contests against top teams- while one of Nemec, Jiricek, Slaf, Cooley, find another gear under pressure. Given the record thus far, it's very likely that one of these players will find that and be better than Wright. It has become predictable. But it's hard to predict who, I think Nemec and Cooley are the most likely candidates
Next time before you make a sleazy point, read carefully.
Curious as to why Slaf did not participate in the Combine testing?I think it will de Wright and think it should be Wright but I am still intrigued as to why Slaf got that 2nd call.
None of the kids who went to the Worlds did and I think he go there one day after it started too.Curious as to why Slaf did not participate in the Combine testing?
OK............still very interesting.None of the kids who went to the Worlds did and I think he go there one day after it started too.
The leaf's scouting system pushed back on Yakupov and would have taken Rielly first. ie. At least one team had the right set of measurement tools to predict performance in this case.
ie. not a lottery.
Again not saying Wright isn't the guy, saying that if he's not the guy, we should be good enough to not select him.
The fact that I don't see a high ceiling in Wright is shared by quite a few pro scouts, and has been covered in the media at length - so maybe we could stop stating opinions as facts. Because I certainly think that anyone saying that Wright has the highest ceiling has food poisoning or something like that lol. But who knows.
Recently eliminated players from CHL teams were also at a disadvantage with little time for recovery and possibly no time to train.None of the kids who went to the Worlds did and I think he go there one day after it started too.
Media interviews vs team interviews. In a team interview the team tries to get real information and the prospects try to sell themselves.What’s the point of interviews then? And what snap judgement have I made? I said I would still likely pick him. It’s just that doubt has now creeped in based on his interviews for me.
And what’s hilarious is you bringing up McDavid. McDavids play on the ice did all the talking. He could have not said a single word leading up to the draft and he still would have went #1.
Wrights play is so far from that level, I don’t know why you would even bring up McDavid.
And pretty much all scouts will use hindsight to sell themselves. Rielly is great, but he’s been front and center for a bunch of embarrassing playoff collapses while the rest of the team changed around him. 2012 was a bad draft year and all the top players should have spent time in lower leagues.The leaf's scouting system pushed back on Yakupov and would have taken Rielly first. ie. At least one team had the right set of measurement tools to predict performance in this case.
ie. not a lottery.
Again not saying Wright isn't the guy, saying that if he's not the guy, we should be good enough to not select him.
The fact that I don't see a high ceiling in Wright is shared by quite a few pro scouts, and has been covered in the media at length - so maybe we could stop stating opinions as facts. Because I certainly think that anyone saying that Wright has the highest ceiling has food poisoning or something like that lol. But who knows.
Look at the production of those rookie : I remember Soto and he actually did 16 of his 24 pts before christmas playing with Wright. It had a real statistical tangible proof that Wright actually made a ton of difference for him.His game will mature in the next year + when he'll get to the NHL.
Babysitting rookies lol come one it's guys his own age. Wright should make them better, he's supposed to be the best player. He started producing at a higher pace when he started playing with two older players.
14 points in his first 13 games. Wright was directly involved in 7 of those points. Then Soto had 12 points in his remaining 40 games.I didn't realize Soto went from PPG to almost 0 points after being shifted off Wright. That's encouraging if true! Making players around you better will serve him well in our market that's typically starved for pure talent.
I understand that your gut feeling is saying no.No, you claimed I was saying something, I clarified that it was not the case, and then you refused to factor that into any of your subsequent responses. Like I said, you are arguing against a position you seem to have made up yourself. We are done here. Have a good evening fellow Habs fan. We can have different opinions, it’s ok dude.
I understand that your gut feeling is saying no.
I personally feel like we are searching reason to hate or to like him because it is a pretty important pick and we've been burned in our last 2 high pick so we are scared.
I feel Wright is the go to guy and my explanation for your point is that. He's had to deal with the medias for a long time and he can sense the approach of the medias changing around him so he's more defensive which has the effect of making look unsure and making us think he's less trustable. ( Again, thinking that is probably my own way to defend him because I like him very much and feel we should draft him )
I actually like the way he's taking criticism and the way he does not sees himself as a finished product. He looks like he's a lot more open to critism than the other 2 players. It may help him or it may submerge him in MTL.
I also saw glimpses in interview that he's not so sure the Habs will draft him anymore and maybe he has to deal with that deception while continuing the interview process. In that case, it is normal to look shaken. He's been told for 3 years he'd be the 1st overall of the NHL draft and may be in the process of losing that. It must no be easy for a 17 years old.
I want Wright, but I have a feeling Habs will go elsewere. I for one, am very scared of that because I like the prospect.
Can you give a bit more context on this?
Wright was probably double teamed on some of the points he wasn't directly involved in. That is exactly the type of player the habs need. They have a bunch of guys who are fine, and who can be really good if they have a play driver on their line occupying more than one guy and keeping everyone's attention. They don't need another average guy, or another 5 average guys, they need a few high end guys.14 points in his first 13 games. Wright was directly involved in 7 of those points. Then Soto had 12 points in his remaining 40 games.
There was a guy that developed a hockey statistical projection model (he recently went on a tsn radio/postcast) and he said that Slaskovsky is particularly risky based on his models. The model itself is based on production and adjusted to leagues and has data spanning about 20-30 years ish. He said that, based on his model, players comparable to Slafkovsky, as of now, have a 10/400 chance to become stars. One of those 10 being Rantanen in recent memory.I'm a Wright guy as well, but I don't really feel such anxiety about this pick. IMO, we don't really have a situation like 2018 where there are totally wildcard picks available. I want Wright because I believe he's the best prospect, but if they draft Slafkovsky or Cooley or even Nemec I won't belly ache about it.
If there’s one quality that gets players over drafted it’s size.Can't believe some ppl are so high on slaf after the KK debacle. I don't trust them big kids!
I'm a Wright guy as well, but I don't really feel such anxiety about this pick. IMO, we don't really have a situation like 2018 where there are totally wildcard picks available. I want Wright because I believe he's the best prospect, but if they draft Slafkovsky or Cooley or even Nemec I won't belly ache about it.