LeBrun: Devils, Hall making traction on new contract?

[KevinRedkey]

10.500 seems to be about right IMO

 

[93LEAFS]

Would think he asks for the Panarin deal. 7x11.7 frontloaded with bonuses, lockout protection, and a full NMC. Maybe Jersey finds some of those things unreasonable such as frontloading and lockout protection, but that should then push him above 12m over 7, and maybe with the frontloaded bonuses, full NMC, and lockout protection they can get him between 11 to 10.5. We will see how committed the relatively new ownership is with this negotiation. As a UFA, someone will give him that contract structure.

 

[thadd]

In before Hall says he doesn't want to deal with it during the regular season and just wants to focus on hockey until the season is over.

 

[TBF1972]

Yeah, what exactly is the alternative there? Don't sign him because of that $2M and then...what exactly?

1) Let him walk at the end of the contract
2) Trade him before the deadline

A) Build around Hischier/Hughes
B) Use gained cap space for UFA signings
C) Use gained cap space in trades like for Subban or Gusev

 

[Jersey Fresh]

1) Let him walk at the end of the contract
2) Trade him before the deadline

A) Build around Hischier/Hughes
B) Use gained cap space for UFA signings
C) Use gained cap space in trades like for Subban or Gusev

Oh, so continue to suck in the hope you end up with someone half as good as Hall is now. Sounds great. At some point, you actually need to start winning, not this perpetual plan for the future.

Listen, if Hall leaves you me-too and build around your young guys. It'll take some time and they'll continue to get better. But Plan A better damn well be sign your best player.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

10.500 seems to be about right IMO

$10.5M AAV has been my guess all along, but I wouldn't be upset if we breached $11M.

 

[TBF1972]

Oh, so continue to suck in the hope you end up with someone half as good as Hall is now. Sounds great. At some point, you actually need to start winning, not this perpetual plan for the future.

Listen, if Hall leaves you me-too and build around your young guys. It'll take some time and they'll continue to get better. But Plan A better damn well be sign your best player.

Why are you so mad? I just answered your questions with the obvious. I am not advocating one or the other.

But as stated by others, the worst case scenario is not letting Hall walk for nothing. It's signing him long term with a significant overpay. Looking back Chicago would rather not have signed Seabrook to his long term contract.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Would think he asks for the Panarin deal. 7x11.7 frontloaded with bonuses, lockout protection, and a full NMC. Maybe Jersey finds some of those things unreasonable such as frontloading and lockout protection, but that should then push him above 12m over 7, and maybe with the frontloaded bonuses, full NMC, and lockout protection they can get him between 11 to 10.5. We will see how committed the relatively new ownership is with this negotiation. As a UFA, someone will give him that contract structure.

The money will not be a problem with their current ownership. Ownership, probably more than Shero, wants him there long term.

 

[Zezel22]

I'm not worried about years 6-8 of a potential longterm contract. In today's NHL, its relatively easy to "Get out" of a contract if you really need to.

Basically, if we want Hall for the next 3-4 years we need to give him a 7-8 year contract. There is no way around it.

I really don't want to start this up again - but I can't resist. My friend - didn't you just say earlier this week that cap strapped teams would not be able to create room to sign hall next july? And then when you asked me for examples of times when it did I pointed out Shattenkirk, Duschene and the general Tampa situation and you essentially scoffed at that saying well thats just a few examples.

Now you're saying its "relatively easy" to get out of a bad contract for NHL teams.

If its relatively easy to do, why would teams who Hall would want to play for be unable to do so to sign him next summer?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Why are you so mad? I just answered your questions with the obvious. I am not advocating one or the other.

But as stated by others, the worst case scenario is not letting Hall walk for nothing. It's signing him long term with a significant overpay. Looking back Chicago would rather not have signed Seabrook to his long term contract.

Wasn't meant to be mad, more exasperated than anything.

And I disagree with your worst case. I'd rather spend that extra $2M on Hall than any yet-to-be-determined free agent or middle six talent.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

“Privately, not much talk between the agent Darren Ferris for Taylor Hall or the Devils and that suggests to me that there is an ongoing process here,” Sportsnet’s Chris Johnston added. “I do think we can’t rule out the possibility of an extension depending on how things turn out.”
The former Hart Trophy winner has recorded three assists in New Jersey’s opening five games so far this season.

Devils to be patient with Taylor Hall after team's slow start - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Nemesis Prime]

He's already made his decision, he's just counting down the days at this point.

 

[Deen]

In before Hall says he doesn't want to deal with it during the regular season and just wants to focus on hockey until the season is over.

That's about as predictable as an NHL player saying "uhh" during an interview.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Maybe a team goes all in for him because they know they're going to get lots of first overall picks

Might as well call him First OverHall.

 

[Deen]

Maybe a team goes all in for him because they know they're going to get lots of first overall picks

Might as well call him First OverHall.

Boo this man.

 

[Sasso09]

One of the few stars on that team. Been a bit uneven in his career. 9M in AAV?

You think Hall is taking what Skinner took, 2 million less than Marner and 2.6M less than Panarin? Haha. He will get 11+

 

[Sasso09]

Sure. Panarin has the second highest AAV in the whole NHL. The only team, who might had paid more total money over the life time of the contract would have been CBJ on a eight year deal.
With the Cap not expected to raise significantly Hall almost certainly will sign for less than Panarin.

He certainly won't. They're the same age and Hall is the better, more accomplished player.

 

[Sam Spade]

Not sure why they would want to do this. Hall is too injury prone to be locked up long term at a big salary. Sort of like Karlsson.

Glad it won't be my team having to make this decision.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Maybe he does not want to be locked up by a team with a room disrupting dominant personia for years.

 

[These Are The Days]

Maybe he does not want to be locked up by a team with a room disrupting dominant personia for years.

If he doesn't want to stay with the Devils it's because they're being held back by shitty coaching and have not fired Hynes yet and Hall has dealt with enough mediocrity in his career and wants to stop living under the rainy storm cloud of losing that's been hanging over his head since the day he started in the NHL. That's got nothing to do with PK Subban and everything to do with Hall wanting to win -which will not happen in NJ any time soon unless something changes quickly

 

[Rafafouille]

He certainly won't. They're the same age and Hall is the better, more accomplished player.

In what world? Panarin has been in the league for 4 years.

Panarin: 324 points in 325 games(26pts in 27gp PO)
Hall: 251 points in 268 games(6pts in 5gp PO)

Panarin clearly showed he wasn't a product of Kane when he carried colombus on his back. So I'm not sure how hall is more accomplished. One good year doesn't make a player.

 

[Deen]

In what world? Panarin has been in the league for 4 years.

Panarin: 324 points in 325 games(26pts in 27gp PO)
Hall: 251 points in 268 games(6pts in 5gp PO)

Panarin clearly showed he wasn't a product of Kane when he carried colombus on his back. So I'm not sure how hall is more accomplished. One good year doesn't make a player.

One of those guys have a Hart though.

 

[Rafafouille]

One of those guys have a Hart though.

And Jamie Benn has an art Ross. As of today, the stars wish they didn't even sign him. One fluke year shouldn't dictate what hall gets on his next contract. He's an injury prone player with one single elite season in the past 5 years.

 

[Pointteen]

One of those guys have a Hart though.

The same guy also spent far too long on a terrible team.


I'm curious about Hall's plan. I honestly can't see him signing in Jersey if he doesn't 100% believe in the team.

And wouldn't be shocked if part of the decision is Captaincy.

 

[TS Quint]

Why are you so mad? I just answered your questions with the obvious. I am not advocating one or the other.

But as stated by others, the worst case scenario is not letting Hall walk for nothing. It's signing him long term with a significant overpay. Looking back Chicago would rather not have signed Seabrook to his long term contract.

Looking back? At the time it was a WTF contract. But that's Scotty's little boy for you.