Honour Over Glory
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Lol. Why are you here then?I need to be done with this for my mental health
Soggy B dropping some hard biscuit knowledge.
because there was just a big reply quoting me. I was typing a response when I realized it's the same response I've typed 50 times already.Lol. Why are you here then?
Well just as I pointed out yesterday that Sprong had played top-9 minutes in each of his games with the Ducks so far, yesterday for the first time he got 4th line minutes and usage. 11th in both overall TOI and ES TOI. On Saturday Sprong scored a goal and added an assist in a 3-2 win for Ducks, yesterday whole Ducks team got shut out in a 0-3 loss. So that usage from yesterday should only be a blip on the radar.
I still see the same things that drop him down lines in his game that would drive a coach nuts.
It's fun when he can get his shot off alot in a game but when he's not doing that coaches are gonna demand more 2-way play/helping out his linemates/keeping the cycle going. All that stuff that keeps getting him put down then up, etc.
What'll be interesting is when Perry gets back.
Essentially it'll come down to Terry vs Sprong...
Sprong has 7 ES points in 20 games with Henrique, a pace which is only a hair off of what a guy like Rust is doing with Crosby...or what Hornqvist generally puts up prior to this year.
Sprong is just a smidge off Bryan Rust’s ES point production.
Daniel Sprong on pace for 27 ES points per 81 games with a skewed sample size of 21 games when he’s been used in the top six the majority of the time.
Bryan Rust
16-17 - 38 PPG at ES pace.
17-18 - 36 PPG at ES pace
18-19 - 34 PPG at ES pace
All while bouncing from the 4th line to the 1st. And a much longer sample size.
Daniel Sprong’s actual PPG at ES this year with his time with Pitt added since you know Rust was demoted to the 4th line and 3rd line. 22.
Just a smidge off. Barely below Rust’s..
Is hard biscuit knowledge the kind that makes you constipated? Because as usual Soggy’s points are doctored bull****.
There's nothing off about what I said. In Anaheim, Sprong is 7 points off Rust's ES pace over a full season (and just 5 points off Hornqvist's ES pace in both '16-'17 and '17-'18), and he's doing it with far lesser regular linemates than Rust (or Horny).
Rust hasn't bounced around any more than Sprong has in Anaheim, and the numbers show as much.
Line Combinations - Frozen Tools
Line Combinations - Frozen Tools
If you want to include a sample size of Sprong buried in his own end for 8.5 minutes a night, and somehow equate Rust's time with Brassard to Sprong's time on the Pens 4th line, sure.
That's disingenuous and has never been part of people's argument for Sprong, but to each his own.
The facts are there for everybody to see.
He makes about 20% of the salary that Rust does. That's some pretty decent production for a guy that makes 750k.7 pts isn’t a hair off. That is my point. If you’re judging Sprong on a sample size I think it is pretty foolish to judge on a larger sample size. And if you’re going to say that we should be taking in consideration Rust’s large sample size his previous production should be noted where he has produced at nearly 10 more points.
He makes about 20% of the salary that Rust does. That's some pretty decent production for a guy that makes 750k.
Because some outlandish shit in this thread can’t be allowed to be said without the layeth of the context smaketh down.Lol. Why are you here then?
Not criticizing Sprong’s production in Anaheim. Just trying to explain why Soggy’s consistently skewed data just further proves how obvious his bias is.
The point was that we never had a spot for him. Soggy still grasps onto our coaching staff doing Sprong wrong when the fact is we just are simply stacked at RW with more complete players. Sucks for Sprong but he seems to be doing well in his new situation and we got a really good asset for him that has been playing in a way that makes it seem like he has the potential to be a top four d. He also didn’t get this opportunity in Anaheim.
Win win deal. For both the franchises and the players. May the Ducks be blessed with the Flying Dutchman. I honestly don’t see the need to skew data like Soggy, Sprong’s numbers are decent even with his time here. Rust is just better.
there are others that could easily move over to lw. the biggest mistake (and there were many) was wasting a yr. of minors by keeping him up, knowing the coach wasn't going to play him.Again I'll agree that the RW backlog was long for Sprong
But why didn't ANYONE in the organization play him at LW while at WBS, to see if he's even capable of position flexibility? He dominated at RW in the AHL - there was nothing else left for him to prove at that position/level
Do you know how valuable position flexibility is? Even if they ended up trading Sprong perhaps they not only get MP but a draft pick on top due to his versatility.
That's why I'm saying the organization did him wrong that's on top of the 2015 entry level year fiasco....
Again I'll agree that the RW backlog was long for Sprong
But why didn't ANYONE in the organization play him at LW while at WBS, to see if he's even capable of position flexibility? He dominated at RW in the AHL - there was nothing else left for him to prove at that position/level
Do you know how valuable position flexibility is? Even if they ended up trading Sprong perhaps they not only get MP but a draft pick on top due to his versatility.
That's why I'm saying the organization did him wrong that's on top of the 2015 entry level year fiasco....
Once you go Sprong, you can't go wrong!This is my favorite thread. I am a noob, but this is why I love HF...
This was multiple weeks ago, but the the national media actually mentioned pens fans specifically on Sirius's NHL channel. They basically said they were blown away that penguins fans think they gave away something special. Their rationalization was well since we haven't had a first round pick we're treating him like the second coming. 2nd round draft picks routinely turn into busts or fringe players.
7 pts isn’t a hair off. That is my point. If you’re judging Sprong on a sample size I think it is pretty foolish to judge on a larger sample size.
And if you’re going to say that we should be taking in consideration Rust’s large sample size his previous production should be noted where he has produced at nearly 10 more points.
Not criticizing Sprong’s production in Anaheim. Just trying to explain why Soggy’s consistently skewed data just further proves how obvious his bias is.
That is definitely a part of it. He was our only forward prospect worth getting excited about as a top 6er so many were outraged. Having said that, I think some exaggerate the other way, like call him a "bust of a 4th line fringe player". Kid is 21 and very talented. He could bust still, he could end up a 30+ goal guy, or he could end up solid. So many directions for this to go, but the good news is the Pens got a very respectable return for him (better than one should expect under the circumstances).
Well, it's a subjective term. I think it qualifies, but if you feel differently there's nothing wrong with that so long as you're consistent.
How much better offensively at ES is someone who's on pace for 7 more ES points? How big would you characterize that difference? Think carefully now.
We're not talking about previous years, in large part because this is Sprong's first full year.
I'm still waiting for you to show which data I skewed. I'm not the one who tried to include Sprong's stretch of 8:30 a night on the 4th line into his ES projections compared to Rust's, as if that's ever been a fair representation.
Again I'll agree that the RW backlog was long for Sprong
But why didn't ANYONE in the organization play him at LW while at WBS, to see if he's even capable of position flexibility? He dominated at RW in the AHL - there was nothing else left for him to prove at that position/level
Do you know how valuable position flexibility is? Even if they ended up trading Sprong perhaps they not only get MP but a draft pick on top due to his versatility.
That's why I'm saying the organization did him wrong that's on top of the 2015 entry level year fiasco....
Not trying to be rude or anything but didn't you tell SB that he won the argument a few pages back?Why are we not consider Rust’s previous years especially if Sprong is younger?
Seems like you want to only compare Sprong to that which is favorable to Sprong and ignore everything else.