OT: Covid-19 (Part 56) Convoy Edition

[Licou]

They could you know report that the vast majority of them are there to protest peacefully. That shouldn’t be so hard. There’s been all this talk about violence and 6 Jan and none of it was true.

I am not sure if you are French speaking or not, but I think Lapresse is covering the protests pretty fairly for a center left paper.

They have quoted a lot of the normal people in the protest in their main article. They made sure to write down that some protesters felt that Mr. Trudeau's choice of words in regards to the protest were very divisive.

Anyway....

 

[dcyhabs]

Well the people who need it got their 5 minutes of hate, ranting at a non-existent effigy. It's pretty clear the demonstration isn't on any subject, it's just people saying that they're really pissed off there is a pandemic during their lifetime, and they are absolutely correct that it sucks that it happened to them and to us. They very obviously don't have a happy solution in the same way that no one else has a happy solution, or, as they keep asking, a way to go back to 2018 and just live that way.

The point from the coverage is that now that the US has adopted the same rules protesting in Canada is purely for enjoyment and not to actually achieve anything.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I am not sure if you are French speaking or not, but I think Lapresse is covering the protests pretty fairly for a center left paper.

They have quoted a lot of the normal people in the protest in their main article. They made sure to write down that some protesters felt that Mr. Trudeau's choice of words in regards to the protest were very divisive.

Anyway....

Glad to hear it. Most of what I read online seemed to be very similar to the sentiment here. They’re fringe. Canada’s Jan 6th etc, Fear of violence, yellow vest etc, you know anything to discredit ppl who disagree with you. Then wonder why ppl distrust them.

 

[Miller Time]

They could you know report that the vast majority of them are there to protest peacefully. That shouldn’t be so hard. There’s been all this talk about violence and 6 Jan and none of it was true.

The threat of violence was grounded, as was the precense of nazi and other hateful and violence driven ideologies.

It's quite revealing that you keep trying to downplay those very simple and factual realities.

 

[dinodebino]

I am not sure if you are French speaking or not, but I think Lapresse is covering the protests pretty fairly for a center left paper.

They have quoted a lot of the normal people in the protest in their main article. They made sure to write down that some protesters felt that Mr. Trudeau's choice of words in regards to the protest were very divisive.

Anyway....

The only ‘left’ paper in Qc is LeDevoir. LaPresse has both types of commentators, le Journal, more of the ‘right’.

Although Canada’s centre is perceived ext-leftist by Muricans. We’re Socialists. Like Western Europe and Scandinavia.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The threat of violence was grounded, as was the precense of nazi and other hateful and violence driven ideologies.

It's quite revealing that you keep trying to downplay those very simple and factual realities.

Go away, there’s been no violence, you can keep spouting the same nonsense. Continue to double down rather than admit you’re out to lunch.

 

[Miller Time]

Go away, there been no violence, you can keep spouting the same nonsense. Continue to double down rather than admit you’re out to lunch.

Threat of violence.
Threatening behavior.
Violent and hateful chanting, symbolism and speech.

All were present. You can ignore and lie all you want, that's your choice... people willing to call put such catering to divisive and hateful behaviors aren't going away anytime soon...

Bigotry should be confronted everywhere it surfaces. You want to support it, that speaks to your values.

 

[Licou]

The only ‘left’ paper in Qc is LeDevoir. LaPresse has both types of commentators, le Journal, more of the ‘right’.

Although Canada’s centre is perceived ext-leftist by Muricans. We’re Socialists. Like Western Europe and Scandinavia.

With the shift from Prat to Lagacé, I feel like Lapresse went from the center right to the center left.

It's hard to judge to be honest, We are slanted left by default in Quebec anyway.

The JDM is mostly center right but, they have like 1000 different columnists so they are hard to follow!

 

[Licou]

Glad to hear it. Most of what I read online seemed to be very similar to the sentiment here. They’re fringe. Canada’s Jan 6th etc, Fear of violence, yellow vest etc, you know anything to discredit ppl who disagree with you. Then wonder why ppl distrust them.

I mean, they wrote about some aspects of the shady origin of some organizers and participants of course. But they mostly report on what the police tells them so it's pretty fair. There is nothing that sounds too alarmist in their reporting.

In all honesty, this whole trucker protest is not something that can easily be reported on by our 30 second sound bite media, just like it was the case with BLM in a way.

It takes deep articles full of nuance to properly report on these kind of things on my opinion.

 

[dcyhabs]

The big problem with these right/left media diagrams is they show the viewpoint but not the value or honesty. The Guardian is an indisputable source of factual news and it is in "lean left" while most of the items in "lean right" are bought propaganda or fantasy. Would you trust "Epoch Times?" You need an honesty axis. These diagrams are mostly disseminated to give credence to the right wing propaganda outfits. Hmm, I guess I can't really get through the Atlantic, either, though at least it cites sources. On the right you have corporate creations like OAN, and propaganda like Fox op ed. You have to consider the viewership, as well. Fox op ed is crazily popular, and it is openly dishonest. Hosts who are fine with the Fox vaccine mandate, and happily vaccinated telling others that they shouldn't vaccinate and that the vaccine is toxic level dishonest. On the left you have "The New Yorker" that cites sources in detail. Sigh.

We are fortunate, in Canada, to have the CBC that actively searches out various viewpoints. They bring in people who are accepted on different ends of the spectrum, not people who have a viewpoint that they agree with. On the other hand we have the National Post that is now included in lots of other media, like the Gazette, that has no such qualms. Remember when the Gazette was bought by Canwest Global and the journalists with integrity all said that they couldn't cope with the editorial guidelines and quit? Deep sigh....

 

[snakeye]

The big problem with these right/left media diagrams is they show the viewpoint but not the value or honesty. The Guardian is an indisputable source of factual news and it is in "lean left" while most of the items in "lean right" are bought propaganda or fantasy. Would you trust "Epoch Times?" You need an honesty axis. These diagrams are mostly disseminated to give credence to the right wing propaganda outfits. Hmm, I guess I can't really get through the Atlantic, either, though at least it cites sources. On the right you have corporate creations like OAN, and propaganda like Fox op ed. You have to consider the viewership, as well. Fox op ed is crazily popular, and it is openly dishonest. Hosts who are fine with the Fox vaccine mandate, and happily vaccinated telling others that they shouldn't vaccinate and that the vaccine is toxic level dishonest. On the left you have "The New Yorker" that cites sources in detail. Sigh.

We are fortunate, in Canada, to have the CBC that actively searches out various viewpoints. They bring in people who are accepted on different ends of the spectrum, not people who have a viewpoint that they agree with. On the other hand we have the National Post that is now included in lots of other media, like the Gazette, that has no such qualms. Remember when the Gazette was bought by Canwest Global and the journalists with integrity all said that they couldn't cope with the editorial guidelines and quit? Deep sigh....

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Threat of violence.
Threatening behavior.
Violent and hateful chanting, symbolism and speech.

All were present. You can ignore and lie all you want, that's your choice... people willing to call put such catering to divisive and hateful behaviors aren't going away anytime soon...

Bigotry should be confronted everywhere it surfaces. You want to support it, that speaks to your values.

I’m not going to respond to your nonsense again after this one. You are looking for things to argue after all the fear mongering you regurgitated from your trusted news sources. Some bad actors show up to everything, including hockey games. It has nothing to do with people who are there to protest peacefully. If you want to continue to post nonsense about how some people parked on sacred ground, fill your boots. One of us is/has done time in the forces and it isn’t you. Don’t pretend you value their sacrifice more than I. You don’t. Direct your fake outrage somewhere else. I’m not falling for it.

 

[la25ecoupe]

The big problem with these right/left media diagrams is they show the viewpoint but not the value or honesty. The Guardian is an indisputable source of factual news and it is in "lean left" while most of the items in "lean right" are bought propaganda or fantasy. Would you trust "Epoch Times?" You need an honesty axis. These diagrams are mostly disseminated to give credence to the right wing propaganda outfits. Hmm, I guess I can't really get through the Atlantic, either, though at least it cites sources. On the right you have corporate creations like OAN, and propaganda like Fox op ed. You have to consider the viewership, as well. Fox op ed is crazily popular, and it is openly dishonest. Hosts who are fine with the Fox vaccine mandate, and happily vaccinated telling others that they shouldn't vaccinate and that the vaccine is toxic level dishonest. On the left you have "The New Yorker" that cites sources in detail. Sigh.

We are fortunate, in Canada, to have the CBC that actively searches out various viewpoints. They bring in people who are accepted on different ends of the spectrum, not people who have a viewpoint that they agree with. On the other hand we have the National Post that is now included in lots of other media, like the Gazette, that has no such qualms. Remember when the Gazette was bought by Canwest Global and the journalists with integrity all said that they couldn't cope with the editorial guidelines and quit? Deep sigh....

Everything on Fox is lies?

 

[CHwest]

The big problem with these right/left media diagrams is they show the viewpoint but not the value or honesty. The Guardian is an indisputable source of factual news and it is in "lean left" while most of the items in "lean right" are bought propaganda or fantasy. Would you trust "Epoch Times?" You need an honesty axis. These diagrams are mostly disseminated to give credence to the right wing propaganda outfits. Hmm, I guess I can't really get through the Atlantic, either, though at least it cites sources. On the right you have corporate creations like OAN, and propaganda like Fox op ed. You have to consider the viewership, as well. Fox op ed is crazily popular, and it is openly dishonest. Hosts who are fine with the Fox vaccine mandate, and happily vaccinated telling others that they shouldn't vaccinate and that the vaccine is toxic level dishonest. On the left you have "The New Yorker" that cites sources in detail. Sigh.

We are fortunate, in Canada, to have the CBC that actively searches out various viewpoints. They bring in people who are accepted on different ends of the spectrum, not people who have a viewpoint that they agree with. On the other hand we have the National Post that is now included in lots of other media, like the Gazette, that has no such qualms. Remember when the Gazette was bought by Canwest Global and the journalists with integrity all said that they couldn't cope with the editorial guidelines and quit? Deep sigh....

CBC. Good lord, they are the Liberals propaganda division.

 

[dcyhabs]

CBC. Good lord, they are the Liberals propaganda division.

They work hard to get all viewpoints but they can't please the one eyed...

 

[BehindTheTimes]

CBC. Good lord, they are the Liberals propaganda division.

I guess if you’re a liberal you can’t see it. Was a good laugh for sure.

 

[Licou]

Heh.. what's so wrong about the CBC? Maybe it's because I am more familiar with the French branch, but they are very bland in the middle to be quite frank.

They also do their fair share of investigation journalism which is becoming rarer.

 

[dcyhabs]

Everything on Fox is lies?

As in the diagram there is Fox News, that is fine. Then you have the op ed part, the Carlson/Inghram/whoever stuff that is complete fiction.

 

[jaffy27]

Everything on Fox is lies?

Love Hannity and Gutfeld

 

[teamfirst]

With the shift from Prat to Lagacé, I feel like Lapresse went from the center right to the center left.

It's hard to judge to be honest, We are slanted left by default in Quebec anyway.

The JDM is mostly center right but, they have like 1000 different columnists so they are hard to follow!

Hard to believe that any News outlet own by Desmarais would be anything close to left ........unless definition of left as change that much you know

 

[dcyhabs]

I guess if you’re a liberal you can’t see it. Was a good laugh for sure.

If you see the CBC as biased maybe you should examine your standards. I'm a liberal but I don't particularly like the federal liberals (some exceptions, I know a single liberal MP from the Ottawa area and he's awesome). I find the CBC tends to bend over backwards trying to please people with your standards.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

As in the diagram there is Fox News, that is fine. Then you have the op ed part, the Carlson/Inghram/whoever stuff that is complete fiction.

They’re no Jeffrey Toobin, Don Lemon or Chris Cuomo, that’s for sure.

 

[dcyhabs]

They’re no Jeffrey Toobin, Don Lemon or Chris Cuomo, that’s for sure.

And I don't even know who any of those people are. Oh well, I'm a bit of a shut in.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

And I don't even know who any of those people are. Oh well, I'm a bit of a shut in.

They’re basically CNN’s equivalent of Tucker/Hannity/ and whoever else fox is parading out there now. A bunch of blowhards pretending to be unbiased and reporting the news. Cuomo was recently let go for interfering in Governor Cuomo’s sexual assault allegations. I think he tried to intimidate his accusers or someshit.

 

[Licou]

Hard to believe that any News outlet own by Desmarais would be anything close to left ........unless definition of left as change that much you know

I said center left.

I read them daily and the columnists clearly support the social democratic model.

Their regular reporting is pretty factual.

I mean yeah, it's not a communist panflet if that's what you mean...