OT: COVID-19 Megathread III (Please limit all COVID discussion to this thread)

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PredsV82

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It's not "the power of authority" fo the love of our risen savior.... it's people using the brains that the Good Lord gave them to recognize that in response to an extreme circumstance, humankind banded together and developed a solution. You are once again using "experimental" in an inaccurate and pejorative manner. The vaccines have been extensively tested and found to be effective to a dramatic degree. The protective effects against death and hospitalization are astoundingly good. And so people all across the globe have decided that the risk of "long term" complications is not nearly as great as the risk of COVID.

And the data I have seen suggest that the immune response to the vaccine is orders of magnitude higher than the response to the actual virus, so most likely the vaccine will protect you better and for a longer time than "naturally acquired" immunity
 
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My cousin has passed after battling COVID for the past three weeks. He was very immunocompromised after battling leukemia multiple times over the past 7 years. This after both of my wife's grandmothers were taken by the virus. It's sobering, we weren't that close to them, but definitely were to my cousin. Even though things are improving, it's no time to let your guard down, it's time to buckle down and fight harder than ever to end this thing.
 

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It's not "the power of authority" fo the love of our risen savior.... it's people using the brains that the Good Lord gave them to recognize that in response to an extreme circumstance, humankind banded together and developed a solution. You are once again using "experimental" in an inaccurate and pejorative manner. The vaccines have been extensively tested and found to be effective to a dramatic degree. The protective effects against death and hospitalization are astoundingly good. And so people all across the globe have decided that the risk of "long term" complications is not nearly as great as the risk of COVID.

And the data I have seen suggest that the immune response to the vaccine is orders of magnitude higher than the response to the actual virus, so most likely the vaccine will protect you better and for a longer time than "naturally acquired" immunity

While true the vaccines have been tested and yes are proven effective in prevention of COVID the number and severity of the side effects will not be known for a couple more years. Don't get me wrong people should get vaccinated but there will be side effects in some people. in 1990 and early 1991 I recieved two doses of the first run anthrax vaccines that had not been approved by FDA. I have side effects to this day from that. We were also given Cipro a full 9 years before FDA approved it with the promise that was the best that could be done while facing the good possibility we were going to be exposed to biological weapons. Additionally we took PB for a preventative against against chemical weapons. Now there were 690k deployed and just over 225k have experienced side effects in a wide range of maladies from cancers, gastro issues, neuropathy and even birth defects of children that were 60% higher than the general population.

Next Wed I will have my second Covid vaccine the short term side effects of the first was about the same as others have described but I have no doubt there will be long term side effects. For us old codgers with a number of underlying health issues its a must and we have to take our chances, But those 50 and under in good health I would be very leary. Most side effects have no treatment by modern medicine other than treating symptoms. It makes one suspicious of the medical profession as a whole as well and that is not a good thing.
 

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My cousin has passed after battling COVID for the past three weeks. He was very immunocompromised after battling leukemia multiple times over the past 7 years. This after both of my wife's grandmothers were taken by the virus. It's sobering, we weren't that close to them, but definitely were to my cousin. Even though things are improving, it's no time to let your guard down, it's time to buckle down and fight harder than ever to end this thing.
Very sorry for your loss Legion. Praying for peace and comfort for you and your family.
 

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Byrd, a couple of things are relevant to your post.

First, you made it sound like Cipro was experimental when you received it. Cipro had been around since 1980 and on the market with full FDA approval since 1987. It didnt get approved for Anthrax prophylaxis until 2000 because no pharmaceutical company would have ever thought to invest the money into getting an anthrax approval, because it wasnt a concern with the civilian population.

Second, although you state you are "sure" there will be "long term" side effects of the vaccines, the fact is you dont know that. I do know for a fact however that there are a not insignificant number of people with long term effects from COVID
 
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My cousin has passed after battling COVID for the past three weeks. He was very immunocompromised after battling leukemia multiple times over the past 7 years. This after both of my wife's grandmothers were taken by the virus. It's sobering, we weren't that close to them, but definitely were to my cousin. Even though things are improving, it's no time to let your guard down, it's time to buckle down and fight harder than ever to end this thing.
So sorry to read this. Spot on about the message of not letting our guard down just yet. We are so torturously close.
 

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The one thing the CDC is doing is using mobile tech to help people report symptoms from vaccination. I signed up for V-safe and got text alerts to fill out health surveys weekly for a few weeks. Easy way to track outcomes.

There is no ideal solution. But 500k have died from Covid related complications in this country, lots more are long haulers. If those are acceptable losses, then nothing will convince you.
 

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Doesnt help when news outlets do stuff like in this tweet



Headline is "100 cases of COVID after full vaccination "

Sounds like huge news, right?

Well, it is, but not why you might think. What wasnt in the headline was the denominator... 1.2 MILLION vaccinated and only 100 break through cases...

That's a 99.99% effectiveness, people. That is the story, not the 100 cases...
 

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Byrd, a couple of things are relevant to your post.

First, you made it sound like Cipro was experimental when you received it. Cipro had been around since 1980 and on the market with full FDA approval since 1987. It didnt get approved for Anthrax prophylaxis until 2000 because no pharmaceutical company would have ever thought to invest the money into getting an anthrax approval, because it wasnt a concern with the civilian population.

Second, although you state you are "sure" there will be "long term" side effects of the vaccines, the fact is you dont know that. I do know for a fact however that there are a not insignificant number of people with long term effects from COVID
No Doc you do not know that..... What you said about Cipro is true it was not known to be effective for biological warfare therefore yes it was experimental when i took it initially. Also we know now that all Fluoroquinolone Antibiotics have risky side effects like most drugs. Cipro "Rare side effects1. Bloody or black, tarry stools 2. burning, crawling, itching, numbness, prickling, \"pins and needles\", or tingling feelings 3. changes in skin color 4. changes in urination 5. chest pain or discomfort 6. chest tightness or heaviness 7. chills 8. clumsiness or unsteadiness 9. confusion 10. continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in the ears 11. coughing or spitting up blood 12. dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position" Common Side effects1. Blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin 2. bluish-colored lips, fingernails, or palms 3. bone pain 4. diarrhea, watery and severe, which may also be bloody 5. difficulty with breathing, chewing, or talking 6. double vision 7. excessive muscle tone 8. feeling of discomfort 9. feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there 10. increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight 11. increased sensitivity to pain or touch 12. irregular or slow heart rate 13. mood changes 14. nosebleeds." "Taking ciprofloxacin increases the risk that you will develop tendinitis (swelling of a fibrous tissue that connects a bone to a muscle) or have a tendon rupture (tearing of a fibrous tissue that connects a bone to a muscle) during your treatment or for up to several months afterward" Most EVER Med has side effects just recently Metformin was removed from the market due to a increased carcinogen that may or may have not been known. Dailey we see commercials from ambulance chasing lawyers on TV asking people to join class action law suits on more and more medication.
Now like I said before those with a high risk have nothing to lose really getting immunized for Covid I have myself.. I had a rough time after the shots but the alternative in my case would most assuredly end up in fatality if I were to catch the bug. But im old and have been sick for a long time. As far as cipro goes in the 90's I had pneumonia twice treated both times with cipro was give cipro a couple more times over the years for respiratory infections. The first warning sign after taking the Cipro for a couple days in 2006 I developed vertigo to the point I had issues walking for almost 6 weeks. Then in 2010 I had a colectomy and was septic and recieved IV Cipro for two weeks I was confined to a bed for almost 6 months and it was 18 months before I could even drive again. I had another bout of diverticulitis that turned septic just over three months ago and I would not allow them to give me any floroquinolones. Instead I was given amoxicillin for three days IV then 10 days oral and beat the sepsis. There is a big problem in medicine with doctors wanting use a howitzer when a .22 would do the trick. Yes yes I know about antibiotic resistance but many of the meds on the market now are far stronger than the body can use or they have been rushed to market and misused by misguided physicians. Drug reps are the scum of the earth right in line with lawyers and used car salesmen. Remember the opiod problem was started by those fools telling Doctors that they were not addictive????

Right now Covid is a political power football. There is a vaccine that will prevent death in those with compromised immune systems, yes they may cause side effects later but that a chance we have to take. Healthy people have a very low chance of death if infected so they should take side effects into consideration. If the vaccine made one grow a third eye the immune suppressed would still have no choice they would take it and deal with the third eye. While healthy people would say wooooo wait a minute here.

Everyone needs to ask this question as well. CDC two weeks ago released that people who have been fully vaccinated do not shed virus and it appears they are also immune to even the African variant. Now should we believe CDC or the politicians who are still trying to mandate everyone even those vaccinated wear masks? I know this the hospitalization rate and number of deaths have been decreasing since mid January according to covid tracker the 7 day average for the US is 52716 infections nationwide compared to Jan 1st when it was 229,297. What it looks like on the surface now is that the vaccine is working and we are headed for the problem to be resolved in another three months. Yet the government Faucci, Brix want the public to continue to be scared and under a rock. While they go to events like say a baseball game and do not wear a mask. The perception is becoming more clear that now it is a control of people issue.
 

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Day two after first shot. Two check-ins via text from the CDC. Arm soreness - like a really localized muscle cramp. Feel a little tired most of the day. Nice lazy day. Feeling better in the evening.
 
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recently Metformin was removed from the market

This is a bit of a stretch to prove your point, certain extended release versions had the issues not the pills most take. It's like saying apples have been recalled from the market because of pesticide residue at 3 - 4 orchards. No not all apples were affected like not the vast majority of Metformin tablets.
 
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Anyone else concerned about increasing infection rates? Spring break and holiday get-togethers? The variants? And for those in TN, 47th in the US in fully vaccinated percentage?

Not looking good from the cheap seats!
 

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Anyone else concerned about increasing infection rates? Spring break and holiday get-togethers? The variants? And for those in TN, 47th in the US in fully vaccinated percentage?

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Over the last 7 days, there has been an average of 950 new cases per day.
This number is down by 21.7% compared to 14 days ago.
Data complete to: 04/04/2021
and Tennessee just opened vaccinations up to everyone, give it a minute.
 
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Even if the infection rate goes up I'm not super concerned. Pretty much anyone that is really vulnerable should be vaccinated already, most of the rest will be mostly precautionary. If you are in that vulnerable category and haven't gotten it done, I don't have a ton of sympathy at this point.
 

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This is a bit of a stretch to prove your point, certain extended release versions had the issues not the pills most take. It's like saying apples have been recalled from the market because of pesticide residue at 3 - 4 orchards. No not all apples were affected like not the vast majority of Metformin tablets.
Drug Recalls | FDA

Then just take your choice of product recalls for one reason or another. I particularly like the one recalled on 330 marketed as male enhancment. Turns out it has Sildenafil as a unlabeled ingrediant. Now you think the manufacturer did not know that they had Viagra in the stuff?????

The point is that many companies are not above board. Omitting ingredients or negative trial results or trials just not long enough to declare full side effects which is a real concern with the Covid vaccine.

I saw a commercial for a migraine RX yesterday one of the possible side effects was stomach rupture. There are commercials now pitting drug company against drug company listing side effects. On example is the old fella that hits his head and his daughter taking him to the hospital for the third time this year she claims for excess bleeding.

I took Metformin for about 10 years and it was time release for about 5 of those years so it was familiar to me so I used it as a example. One could use Johnson & Johnson baby powder last October they settles a class action suit for 100 million dollars to settle a little more than 1,000 claims in the suit yet Talc is still used in cosmetics and sold by many other companies including Gold Bond.

Most people are allergic to at least one drug, be it different antibiotics pain killers or many others. Food allergies from peanuts to shellfish and others. The are people that have reactions to adjuvants the material in a therapy that increases the absorption of the primary RX.

I know I sound like a homoeopath against modern drugs, really I am not but there are risks with most all of them you put in your body.
 

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Day three post first Pfizer shot. No arm pain, no other side effects. Woke up feeling just fine.
 

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This is a bit of a stretch to prove your point, certain extended release versions had the issues not the pills most take. It's like saying apples have been recalled from the market because of pesticide residue at 3 - 4 orchards. No not all apples were affected like not the vast majority of Metformin tablets.
Mine was not recalled. I think it was more a matter of formula than the drug itself.


@Byrddog It does not surprise me that talcum powder ended up getting recalled. Every time I'd use that stuff on myself or the babies I'd have breathing problems. I started using the cornstarch versions as soon as they came out with that. Even though it's also dusty, it doesn't have the same effects on my lungs.
 
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Day three post first Pfizer shot. No arm pain, no other side effects. Woke up feeling just fine.
My son in law was all over miserable, daughter has a very sore arm. They got their Pfizer Saturday and yesterday. My son, his GF, Mr Adz and I are scheduled for Saturday, all Pfizer, all first dosage. My sister and mom had no ill effects for either one, but they may have had Moderna, not sure. Will be interesting to see how much difference age makes with the Pfizer.
 
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My son in law was all over miserable, daughter has a very sore arm. They got their Pfizer Saturday and yesterday. My son, his GF, Mr Adz and I are scheduled for Saturday, all Pfizer, all first dosage. My sister and mom had no ill effects for either one, but they may have had Moderna, not sure. Will be interesting to see how much difference age makes with the Pfizer.

Didnt Jailbait have COVID? If so then the reaction to the first shot will be stronger
 
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