and yet, according to data, "small gatherings" like restaurants make up only 3% of known spread in places like LAEpidemiologist Says Restricting Small Gatherings Isn't Enough To Stop The Surge
For anyone who is curious
Perhaps you can get your 12 year old on here to explain things to some of the adults?
Again, I trust you are smart enough to know the reality of the situation if the positions were switched. If not, something something ocean front property for sale.This is far different than the price of oil or opiod addictions, or an election campaign. This is a unique, once a century massive world wide issue that begs for cooperation from everyone.
The owner went onto social media and said he was re-opening despite the forced closure too.Looks like somebody completely dissed the lockdown , and the cops had to step in since the bylaw officers backed down. And Doug Ford's response was weak. John Tory looks like he has the balls in the province.
Etobicoke restaurant ordered to close after defying provincial lockdown orders, allowing indoor dining
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Is this the BBQ joint where all of those neanderthals were gathered together and eating with zero masks?The owner went onto social media and said he was re-opening despite the forced closure too.
He should be thrown in jailThe owner went onto social media and said he was re-opening despite the forced closure too.
What about the mental health of our doctors and nurses working on the covid units? You think my husband enjoys calling family members and telling them their loved one died alone. His life has been nothing but covid for the last eight months. No one seems to care about them.
An overwhelmed ICU is why we need to lockdown. We should support businesses. Pay them to stay closed. There's no reason why casinos, restaurants and bars should be open right now.
Not at all. It’s quite straight forward. Lockdowns impact different populations wrt mortality than pandemics. Trade offs on mortality as a public health decision should not be on doctors by their own oath.By all means. You're the one who made the brutal attempt at a syllogism.
and yet, according to data, "small gatherings" like restaurants make up only 3% of known spread in places like LA
Not at all. It’s quite straight forward. Lockdowns impact different populations wrt mortality than pandemics. Trade offs on mortality as a public health decision should not be on doctors by their own oath.
Well again I think you are purposedly misinterpreting their points of view. I know you are saying finincial ruin/lost business, but at the same time you are quoting quality of life. For some that might mean finincial ruin, for others no holidays or steak dinners. Where do you draw the line? Because one quality of life is not like the other.I'm mainly talking about people who want more lockdowns/harsher lockdowns that will knowingly cripple thousands upon thousands of people's livelihoods, because in the end that would mean less people are physically dead. I don't think tens of thousands of people having their quality of life significantly downgraded indefinitely, and in many cases permanently, by financial ruin, lost businesses, etc because it might save a life somewhere along the line is justifiable. There's a cost to lowering the death toll, and some believe it should be paid no matter what.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. You said people will die from restrictions (presumably in a roundabout way) and I pretty much agreed with you. Some people out there are fine with that (or more accurately, just choose to not think about it) because all they care about seeing is a lower Covid death toll on the evening news. Only Covid deaths matter to some people. Not saying that's a prevalent theme in this thread specifically mind you. It seems to be the thought process of a former Alberta premier based on a radio segment I happened to listen to this morning though.
That’s a terrible comparisonIt's straight forward to you because you're making brutal assumptions. Here's what your reasoning looks like.
- Cops take an oath to uphold the peace.
- Shooting people is not peaceful.
- Therefore, cops are never justified in shooting people.
See, it's straight forward.
Never mind that the Hypocratic oath isn't taken literally because it leads to absurd reasoning.
That’s a terrible comparison
I was sure there was an hour and a half presser yesterday, that explained everything in great detail, and the reasons behind it. But I must be mistaken. Continuing to divide us. Well done.
- Doctors say they will do no harm.
- Lockdowns cause harm.
- Therefore, Doctors should not advocate for lockdowns.
Seems pretty analogous to me.
It has been stated by many infectious disease specialists that large indoor gatherings are the main source of spreader events. You don't need to look at data to know this, just listen to the experts.
Also, compared to most businesses that are following protocols with masking and social distancing, you're bound to not see these protocols being followed in private residences where these protocols aren't being enforced especially parties where alcohol is prevalent. Nothing to prove of this of course but it's just common sense.
I agree doctors shouldn’t be advocating for lockdowns.
Well I am getting laid off Friday.
This is fine.
100% capacity I thought all service industry type businesses were restricted to a certain percentage of capacity?When the government making decisions to ban private indoor gatherings but allows bars etc to stay open at 100% capacity, then you should hope that they have data to support those decisions. But by their own admission, they don’t, which means they’re just throwing things at the wall hoping they stick.