OT: Coronavirus XXVIII: Vaccinations to Start Soon? Would You Take One By Years End?

[nabob]

Okay, so if you haven't followed the argument between two people, then why interject? I appreciate your random comment, I guess?

because your comparison makes zero sense.

 

[soothsayer]

because your comparison makes zero sense.

The comparison is logically consistent. It's meant to show that doctors being prevented from advocating for lockdowns doesn't logically flow from their oath to do no harm. Just as police officers being never justified for using their firearms doesn't logically flow from their oath to uphold the peace.

 

[Stoneman89]

I was sure there was an hour and a half presser yesterday, that explained everything in great detail, and the reasons behind it. But I must be mistaken. Continuing to divide us. Well done.

Good grief, how stupid does she (and the CBC) think everyone is. They went into sometimes painful detail on the restrictions yesterday. And it's on the website in point form with expanded information. What would be the point of asking for more detail? This is not "someone doing their job as a member of opposition." This is someone with a clear political agenda.

 

[LaGu]

Well I am getting laid off Friday.
This is fine.

Crap, sorry for you. I hope things take a turn for the better soon enough.





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Just a note, and I am not trying to be insensitive here, on first reading of your post this is what I read:
Well I am getting laid on Friday.
This is fine.

I thought it was odd saying this is fine, sounded great to me

 

[nabob]

It has been stated by many infectious disease specialists that large indoor gatherings are the main source of spreader events. You don't need to look at data to know this, just listen to the experts.

Also, compared to most businesses that are following protocols with masking and social distancing, you're bound to not see these protocols being followed in private residences where these protocols aren't being enforced especially parties where alcohol is prevalent. Nothing to prove of this of course but it's just common sense.

It’s so amazing to see these people that have been saying “listen to the experts” for months now saying that the experts are wrong because it in a small way goes against what their beloved political party leader is saying. Can we label them as the new Covid deniers now.

 

[Skar]

Well I am getting laid off Friday.
This is fine.

Sorry to hear that buddy, hope you get back quick.

 

[nabob]

The comparison is logically consistent. It's meant to show that doctors being prevented from advocating for lockdowns doesn't logically flow from their oath to do no harm. Just as police officers being never justified for using their firearms doesn't logically flow from their oath to uphold the peace.

That’s not what logically means

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Well I am getting laid off Friday.
This is fine.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can bounce back quickly! Hang in there.

 

[Little Fury]

Okay, try to follow along and connect the dots. So much easier to ascertain where contagion comes from in public settings. People come into stores, masked up, social distance, buy goods, go home. Kids go to school, follow protocols, then, leave the school. (what happens after school has been well disected, and kids are going to kids in non school hours regardless of whether they go to school or not). Other businesses, restaurants, etc have strict COVID protocols, as per government regulations

It's a bold assumption to assume those protocols are a) being followed dilligently and B) effective in the first place. Bars and restaurants here have no limits on capacity and max seating per table is 6 people, who can move about freely and interact with other patrons at will. Given multiple studies that suggest bars and restaurants are contributors to the spread, i don't think you can make the assumption you're making here. Which, again, is why actual data would be useful.

Statistics can track how these places do, and the %'s are small, and they are all doing very well, other than the odd one(which gets warned or shut down). That leaves everything else, which by subtraction, is what we do in private. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to this conclusion.

Where are these statistics then?

 

[Stoneman89]

When the government making decisions to ban private indoor gatherings but allows bars etc to stay open at 100% capacity, then you should hope that they have data to support those decisions. But by their own admission, they don’t, which means they’re just throwing things at the wall hoping they stick.

Bars have open and stringent conditions and protocols they must follow regarding masking (when there is movement), social distancing, hours, etc and are very easy and transparent to investigate. Do private gatherings have any of this to monitor behaviors?

 

[soothsayer]

That’s not what logically means

I studied formal logic for years. I'm not doing this with you.

 

[nabob]

I studied formal logic for years. I'm not doing this with you.

Should have studied harder.

 

[Stoneman89]

Again, I trust you are smart enough to know the reality of the situation if the positions were switched. If not, something something ocean front property for sale.

I trust you can provide some prior examples for me please? If not, good luck in your new real estate career.

 

[bellagiobob]

When the government making decisions to ban private indoor gatherings but allows bars etc to stay open at 100% capacity, then you should hope that they have data to support those decisions. But by their own admission, they don’t, which means they’re just throwing things at the wall hoping they stick.

They've tried not to discriminate between private indoor gatherings and restaurants/bars. Both have similar restrictions. Both are limited to immediate household members only, or if single, two additional people.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Pray tell, what percentage of cases do they actually know the source of?

I dunno, but not enough data to completely ruin people's livelihoods

 

[Stoneman89]

100% capacity I thought all service industry type businesses were restricted to a certain percentage of capacity?

By the very spacing of their tables due to social distancing, their capacity has been reduced to about 50 % in some cases.

 

[joestevens29]

Should have studied harder.

Sounds like something my dad would say regardless of my grades

 

[nabob]

It's a bold assumption to assume those protocols are a) being followed dilligently and B) effective in the first place. Bars and restaurants here have no limits on capacity and max seating per table is 6 people, who can move about freely and interact with other patrons at will. Given multiple studies that suggest bars and restaurants are contributors to the spread, i don't think you can make the assumption you're making here. Which, again, is why actual data would be useful.



Where are these statistics then?

It's a bold assumption to assume those protocols are a) being followed dilligently and B) effective in the first place. Bars and restaurants here have no limits on capacity and max seating per table is 6 people, who can move about freely and interact with other patrons at will. Given multiple studies that suggest bars and restaurants are contributors to the spread, i don't think you can make the assumption you're making here. Which, again, is why actual data would be useful.



Where are these statistics then?

I have repeatedly offer to find and post the studies for you today and every single time you’ve rebuked it. Now you’re wasting someone else’s time asking for it? And you were calling me a troll earlier?

 

[bellagiobob]

It's a bold assumption to assume those protocols are a) being followed dilligently and B) effective in the first place. Bars and restaurants here have no limits on capacity and max seating per table is 6 people, who can move about freely and interact with other patrons at will. Given multiple studies that suggest bars and restaurants are contributors to the spread, i don't think you can make the assumption you're making here. Which, again, is why actual data would be useful.



Where are these statistics then?

Directly from the enhanced public health measures webpage:

Maximum of 6 people from the same immediate household at a table and no movement between tables.

 

[soothsayer]

Should have studied harder.

If only I took my lessons from an anonymous HF poster who consistently misreads people's posts.

 

[nabob]

By the very spacing of their tables due to social distancing, their capacity has been reduced to about 50 % in some cases.

Guess that’s a hard concept for some to understand. Most restaurants that I have been to here and in BC since the spring have half of their tables closed and a bunch even have large plastic dividers set up even where social distancing is in place.

 

[joestevens29]

Okay, so I live alone and am allowed to have two people apart of my bubble.

Can that be my parents or are they not allowed to see anyone outside of their house?

I mean if I have to commit to two single ladies, then so be it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Directly from the enhanced public health measures webpage:

Maximum of 6 people from the same immediate household at a table and no movement between tables.

you can tell some people haven't stepped into a public indoor space in awhile lol

it's common knowledge that restaurants and bars are operating at half capacity

 

[joestevens29]

I also think they aren't shutting bars down as they can't afford to lose out on VLT revenue.

 

[Stoneman89]

Directly from the enhanced public health measures webpage:

Maximum of 6 people from the same immediate household at a table and no movement between tables.

I'm sure all of the private gatherings will have these conditions.