Coronavirus and the Washington Capitals Part 2

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Prepare for resistance from people being manipulated by the same groups that have been stoking fears and promoting protests in other countries. Some of these "nutters" are going to dive right off the deep end.

I'm sure they'll get some resistance, but A) not from me, and B) I think overall its a pretty liberal minded environment, very diverse, very inclusive, very tolerant (of things like LGBT rights, not things like "I wanna put my coworkers at higher risk). So I'm hoping the pushback is kept to a minimum and those who really resist can just go take a flying leap.
 
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I'm sure they'll get some resistance, but A) not from me, and B) I think overall its a pretty liberal minded environment, very diverse, very inclusive, very tolerant (of things like LGBT rights, not things like "I wanna put my coworkers at higher risk). So I'm hoping the pushback is kept to a minimum and those who really resist can just go take a flying leap.

I was speaking more generally but yeah, it will depend on the workplace
 

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I wonder how many people he convinced with his microphone to avoid the vaccine who also then later died from it? Or even got severely sick and needed ventilation?

If the answer to that number is 1 or more, then I have absolutely no sympathy for this cretin's death, none at all.

Surprised there aren't more lawsuits, tbh.
 
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Surprised there aren't more lawsuits, tbh.
You have to think those are coming. Fox and Newsmax and these other outlets have deep pockets. I thought I read somewhere that Fox had Hannity and a couple other folks change their tunes so that they could claim to have offered multiple perspectives. All in service of avoiding lawsuits, the story suggested.

EDIT: and I saw something about the average Covid hospital bill being between $50K-$150K. So when folks start getting those, they're gonna want someone to pony up.
 
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Good luck to anyone who has unvaccinated children returning to school!
 

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Especially in places where teachers are not required to be vaccinated or even wear masks.

Even with vaccinated teachers you will have unvaccinated children in close contact with each other, and even in the most ideal conditions masking won’t be perfect since they are still children.

I really do feel for anyone who does not have have the option to do remote learning for their children. It’s wildly irresponsible to make children go back to school right now.
 

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The anti vaxers are now saying the the vaccine is the reason Delta is so strong and is to blame the vaccine on the new outbreak. You cant make this stuff up...

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and Sean Avery posts it... maybe he took to many hits to the head lol
 
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Even with vaccinated teachers you will have unvaccinated children in close contact with each other, and even in the most ideal conditions masking won’t be perfect since they are still children.

I really do feel for anyone who does not have have the option to do remote learning for their children. It’s wildly irresponsible to make children go back to school right now.

Well the main point is, there are risks and risks can be managed well or managed poorly. At some point when the risks become too high they should pull the plug... in fact they did last year.

The problem is also that not everyone agrees on the actual risks and thus the risk management efforts meet resistance. Hence, some places are at much higher risk than others. Never said that masks or even vaccinations eliminate risk entirely, but they are effective at reducing it, when/where people actually let TPTB implement those things.
 

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I’d love to hear another well versed Dr rebut that guy. Sounds believable for sure….articulate, even reasonable. All the characteristics you want to seem earnest. Easy to see why the sheeple are influenced.
 

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The anti vaxers are now saying the the vaccine is the reason Delta is so strong and is to blame the vaccine on the new outbreak. You cant make this stuff up...

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and Sean Avery posts it... maybe he took to many hits to the head lol


The argument has even been tried here. Vaccines don't work that way. Where are the smallpox variants?

They're confusing bacteria antibiotic resistance with viral replication. More replication = more chance for mutation. More vaccines = less replication = less chance for mutation.

Viruses don't "try" to evade or evolve to avoid vaccine-induced antibodies. It simply happens as a result of CHANCE. And anyone with half a brain knows the odds of something happening go up the more opportunities there are.

It's the same people who have claimed the vaccines cause sterility, "shed" into aerosols that infect others, and cause unspecified "long term effects". None of this has a shred of evidence, and at best defies all logic. If a few quack medical professionals seize the nonsense, the people backing them should ask themselves why they chose to believe THESE doctors and not the vast majority of medical experts, or established biological principles.
 

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Sigh. I had mostly been seeing the "iLeGalS hAvE bEeN bRiNgInG iN CoViD" argument.
Some are.

18 percent of migrant families leaving Border Patrol custody positive for Covid

Buried in this article:

The Biden administration is considering testing all migrants in Border Patrol custody, according to the second document, but CBP, the Border Patrol's parent agency, does not currently have the testing capability.

Considering testing all immigrants in custody. Considering. And what about those not in custody? It’s a big deal.

I’m all for immigrants coming to the US for a better life but we need to know who is entering our country. Not just because of COVID but because of what happened coming up on 20 years ago on 9/11. Bad people still want to do bad things to us.
 
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I’d love to hear another well versed Dr rebut that guy. Sounds believable for sure….articulate, even reasonable. All the characteristics you want to seem earnest. Easy to see why the sheeple are influenced.

Gorka is the worst. Known foreign agent. Wouldn't trust anything he tweets. Ever.

The guy talking is a Family Medicine Specialist in Indiana. Not an epidemiologist. He claims he knows what he's talking about but he doesn't.

Here is the CDC talking about animal spread of COVID-19, which he claims the CDC is not addressing:

COVID-19 and Your Health


This is one of the "studies" he claims support his theory about masks not stopping aerosols. The author slaps down someone trying to abuse her data:



Oops! Looks like the guy who tried to claim that study proved masks don't stop aerosols deleted his tweet! I wonder why?

Also his entire premise about antibody mediated viral enhancement is alarmist rubbish:

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines cause vaccine enhanced disease?

No Evidence for Human Monocyte-Derived Macrophage Infection and Antibody-Mediated Enhancement of SARS-CoV-2 Infection - PubMed

I couldn't get past 2:22 in the video when his ADE train started rolling. That's enough crazy talk.

If this guy is hanging his hat on 'animal spread' and poo-poo vaccination then he's just ignoring the data regarding where the large outbreaks are happening vs where they aren't. Are the places that dropped in case loads after vaccination animal-free? Of course not.
 
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That's LEAVING the country. After being confined together in close quarters for weeks, in areas with high infection rates. They don't get tested unless they show symptoms, or are about to leave, so you can't make any such claim. Are these people who are DETAINED spreading COVID abroad? Explain how that happens.

If Americans went to Mexico and came back with the clap I'm sure you'd say they had it when they left America, right? LOL

This is just more deflection. Blame the people who are spreading the disease all over the country, ffs. Not foreigners.
 
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My employer (roughly 5-7k) nary a peep internally about even coming back to the office and what plans would look but looks like we are still remote at least through Jan 1st through the unofficial grape vine.
 

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My employer (roughly 5-7k) nary a peep internally about even coming back to the office and what plans would look but looks like we are still remote at least through Jan 1st through the unofficial grape vine.
You got it better than me. Just found out I'm on telework through October then I go to 2 days a week. I got Tuesday and Thursday. Not bad. I haven’t worked out of my office since March 2020.
 
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You got it better than me. Just found out I'm on telework through October then I go to 2 days a week. I got Tuesday and Thursday. Not bad. I haven’t worked out of my office since March 2020.

I feel luckier that my fellow coworkers pre-covid who have been stuck in basically the worst type cube farm one can have when considering trying to open back up with covid still running around. I had an office out of the regional office I am located at and did spend a couple months using in summer 2020 and it was mainly wearing a mask when one steps out of the office. I really could not imagine having to wear a mask indoors for 8 hours. I would not be surprised still working from home still by March 2022 which will mean two years. Though technically right now I do not have office as they are renovating the floor I was on. One entertaining thing about working from home is though about every other group in Esri is generally WFH friendly my side management virulently anti-WFH for no reason that I could ever determine. Though entertaining all the excuses they used are now blown out of the water.

I actually really like my office setup plus the free gym in the basement overall combined with my PST based schedule that allows me to duck DC area traffic. That said I will likely never be able to afford a home in the DC area which really is my one goal at the moment so full time WFH would allow me to move to an area more affordable.
 
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I've worked from home full-time for more than 20 years now, so I have been luckier than most in all of this. Nothing really changed as far as that goes. And my employer, long pretty anti-remote work, despite having a handful of us who do it, is going to a permanent 40-60 telework for all in-office workers. That's 40% time in and 60% out per month. The office is already open but the mandatory 40% return is supposed to start in December I think.

Meanwhile, they already had to reinstitute a mask mandate for those choosing to go in now. And as I said, so far they've resisted requiring vaccines. I honestly think they will have to both push back the official re-open at least 6 more months and mandate vaccines before any of this will work. And I'm just grateful to always work at home.
 
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