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I'd do a first and LaBanc
I’d be pretty okay with that, from the Rangers’ side.
I'd do a first and LaBanc
Coming from a person who's sister has had lifelong blood clot issues, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. DVT is a very specific bloot clot instance that is not at all what kreider had.
First off, blood clots happen for a myriad of reasons. DVT is not the blanket diagnosis for clots. DVT is primarily a LEG clot issues and kreider had a clot in his arm.
Second, other people have symptoms like pulmonary hypertension and APS which a actually DOES make them prone to blood clots for life. And these happen all over their body, legs, heart, lungs, and gravitate to their heart and arteries.
Pascal dupuis is actually an example of this as he was diagnosed with a lifelong condition forcing him to retire and his clots randomly starting forming in his lungs.
There is nothing to indicate so far kreider is at risk to throw another clot especially since he definitely doesn't have DVT as you just assumed is the blanket blood clot diagnosis
Kreider is not over-valued. If you don't want to pay the price to get him then you don't get him. NYR gladly keeps him. He's not a 30 goal player and never will be; however he's a threat in every aspect of the game and a proven playoff performer and does damage when it matters. It's the intangibles, work ethic, and clutchness that make him invaluable to NYR. He's worth a first and a top notch prospect and nothing less.
37 points in 77 playoff games (15 points in his last 36 playoff games) isn't that good for a proven playoff performer who does damage when it matters.
A 1st round pick and top notch prospect is too much for him. A 1st and a mid tier prospect should be his highest value
Alfredsson first 70 playoff games
27G 48Pts
But you could see the effort and how he controlled play... he was proven regardless of the numbers.
If you watched the Rangers in the playoffs, Kreiders the same... he carries play
48 points in 70 games is much better then 37 points in 77 games. A proven playoff performer for a forward can't have a sub .5 ppg like Kreider has.
His last 51playoff games 28Pts
37 points in 77 playoff games (15 points in his last 36 playoff games) isn't that good for a proven playoff performer who does damage when it matters.
A 1st round pick and top notch prospect is too much for him. A 1st and a mid tier prospect should be his highest value
48 points in 70 games is much better then 37 points in 77 games. A proven playoff performer for a forward can't have a sub .5 ppg like Kreider has.
Dream on. Kreider is one the best 3 net front presences in the league. This thread is useless. Rangers aren't trading him. He's a big part of this rebuild.
You obviously struggling with your understanding of the sport of hockey. Points in the playoffs are harder to come by. Also, the only players that have near or over a PPG in the playoffs usually get a ton of their points on the PP. So, if your teams PP isn't great or you aren't really a PP guy, you aren't going to have a high PPG average period. Especially in the playoffs. It's also when you get those points that matters. Kreider has had plenty of clutch goals in the playoffs. You might want to think more before you become a stat geek.
Kreider doesn't produce that well in the playoffs that is a fact.
Of course points are harder to come by in the playoffs because your playing better teams and in high pressure situation. A lot of players point per games average drops in the playoffs but not all of them do. Kreider's drops and with the drop his points per game average is under half a point per game. Under half a point per game player isn't a playoff performer. Getting a point early in the game or late in the game still is a point that helps your team win. I care about how good a player produces to help his team win and better producers tend to help their team win more then if they produced less.
The fact that
Your reliance on stats is nauseating.
You have proven one of two things. You haven't watched a single Rangers playoff game (where you can see with two working eyes that Kreider is one of like 3 guys always moving their ass) or you didn't know what you're looking at when you did watch Kreider be one of 3 NYR non goalies worth a damn...
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd be amazed how his stats are as good as he got them to be.
Even for a 37 point player, that package was crap
In the ahl?Johnsson will probably score 37 next season
HF Boards . com ladies and gentlemen.I would never call someone like Kredier a playoff performer.
HF Boards . com ladies and gentlemen.
I'd do a first and LaBanc
Produces at a lower rate in the playoff being below .5 ppg with 37 points in 77 games is a playoff performer
If that is a playoff performer then the standards are too easy so then if someone says someone is a playoff performer it will mean little.
My apologies, I thought I quoted you.Here's a question of stat though, where does Kreider stand amongst his teammates over the years for the stats you posted above?
You obviously struggling with your understanding of the sport of hockey. Points in the playoffs are harder to come by. Also, the only players that have near or over a PPG in the playoffs usually get a ton of their points on the PP. So, if your teams PP isn't great or you aren't really a PP guy, you aren't going to have a high PPG average period. Especially in the playoffs. It's also when you get those points that matters. Kreider has had plenty of clutch goals in the playoffs. You might want to think more before you become a stat geek.
My apologies, I thought I quoted you.
Another few questions on the stats:
-How many of those 37 points were because he earned them or someone else created the play and he was just there?
-Of those 37 points in those 77 games, how many multi point games were there? Were they in clumps according to how the whole team was doing?
-How many games was he one of the only ones out there and couldnt register a point?
-Who were the goalies in the games he didn't register a point? Were they hot that night or was the defense holding them up even more?
At this point I'm not gonna further waste my time, I'm just gonna assume you have no idea what I'm saying right now and stop.
Go watch one playoff game where he registers a point, and one he doesn't. Put some thought into why both are so.
My apologies, I thought I quoted you.
Another few questions on the stats:
-How many of those 37 points were because he earned them or someone else created the play and he was just there?
-Of those 37 points in those 77 games, how many multi point games were there? Were they in clumps according to how the whole team was doing?
-How many games was he one of the only ones out there and couldnt register a point?
-Who were the goalies in the games he didn't register a point? Were they hot that night or was the defense holding them up even more?
At this point I'm not gonna further waste my time, I'm just gonna assume you have no idea what I'm saying right now and stop.
Go watch one playoff game where he registers a point, and one he doesn't. Put some thought into why both are so.
Like talking to a wall.Producing in the playoffs is what makes someone a playoff performer and he has 37 points in 77 games that isn't that good. Kreider isn't a playoff performer its that simple. Points matter no matter how much someone tries to downplay them.
He's a weird case making him nearly impossible to trade. There really aren't many players like him, and to give us what it would take to get rid of him, only a couple teams are stacked enough to not be too crippled by what they'd have to give. Only deal I could see fair to Toronto is one of your two heavy hitters for Kreider and a first in what would assume to be a contract shedding move for Toronto (and an attempt at NYR getting their classic overpaid underperforming Marquee name)...obviously not happening.Ranger fans, a realistic offer you would want from the leafs? Just trying to gage value