Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy V signs 3 year $4.9m extension

Discussion in 'Boston Bruins' started by TP, May 7, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TwineTickler

    TwineTickler TheUltimateBruin

    Joined:
    May 13, 2006
    Messages:
    27,569
    Likes Received:
    3,400
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Fairfield County, CT
    Three years for both would be perfect. 1 year left of control for Carlo and 2 for McAvoy. Can go long term after those 3 years are up.

    3 years 5.75 for Mac, 3 Years 3.5-3.75 for Carlo.
     
    DKH and RustyBruins72 like this.
  2. Mr. Make-Believe

    Mr. Make-Believe Pass me another nail

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2003
    Messages:
    27,307
    Likes Received:
    3,289
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Occupation:
    Film Critic
    Location:
    Erotic Fantasies
    Home Page:
    All this gnashing of teeth over a specific number.

    Personally, I'm only concerned if the negotiations are acrimonious and he's low-balled. Anything else? I'm just gonna be happy he's signed.
     
  3. maxbme

    maxbme Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2016
    Messages:
    2,241
    Likes Received:
    2,204
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Gender:
    Male
    McAvoy signing a Werenski type deal would be fine, but I'd rather see them move a body and sign him long term at more money. He is worth it without a doubt.

    I see Micah McCurdy's charts shared a lot so lets break down the comparison of Werenski, Provorov, and McAvoy last season through them.

    Werenski makes a positive impact +6% compared to the team, and you can see the shots generated on his side. I'd be concerned about the defense +11% compared to team, and how many shots get taken on his side, especially in close. Thats pretty alarming for a top pair d.

    Screen Shot 2019-09-10 at 12.37.56 AM.png


    Provorov was closer to Werenski, +9% offensive impact. Massive impact downlow around the net. Similar negative impact, +8%, but you see most of the generated shots from the other side which would be good for an RHD, except for the fact that since November, Provorov played LHD most of the season paired while he was paired with Sanheim. I'm willing to chalk this season off to playing injured and expect better defensively going forward.
    Screen Shot 2019-09-10 at 12.38.14 AM.png

    This is where it gets fun for us. McAvoy was a massive boost on both sides of the ice, +12 offensively, beating out Provorov and Werenski, and -6% defensively, a staggering 17% better than Werenski and 12% better than Provorov. You can see the rainbow road in front of the net become covered in red. For a team that played a largely defensive game last season (as reflected in the offensive without chart), this is a very strong reflection of ability to get pucks in strong shooting position. Defensively, Bruins benefited from McAvoy in a massive way. With Charlie the right side is a blue, shotless wasteland, without you can see the red patch near the dot and the one that develops in between the dots.

    Screen Shot 2019-09-10 at 12.37.40 AM.png

    If the Bruins can get 6 years of a McAvoy calibre player at $17,750,000 total, I'm all for it. But if Provorov and Werenski are his comparables, you want him long term at almost whatever cost.
     

    Attached Files:

  4. Spooner st

    Spooner st Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,649
    Likes Received:
    1,784
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks for posting this.
    I think your numbers are off, probably a typo.
    6 years $17.75M makes no sense.
     
  5. weaponomega

    weaponomega Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    10,041
    Likes Received:
    861
    Trophy Points:
    215
    Occupation:
    Bank Robber
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta
    I think a bridge deal is the only way this works for the Bruins and I think its probably better for McAvoy long term. If he can finally stay healthy over the 2-3 year deal I expect him to be a top 10 defenseman. And if that happens he'll get his $$$.
     
  6. maxbme

    maxbme Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2016
    Messages:
    2,241
    Likes Received:
    2,204
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Gender:
    Male
    Haha I meant 3 years. Not 100% sure where I got the the $17.75 from either tbh.
     
    FuriousGeorge37 likes this.
  7. Spooner st

    Spooner st Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,649
    Likes Received:
    1,784
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Gender:
    Male
    That makes more sense though.
    I would love if he inks that deal.
     
    maxbme likes this.
  8. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Negotiations are a tedious thing. Every situation is different and players are looking for different things out of a contract.

    ZW gave up lockout protection (although it probably won't be needed, but you never know) and he gave up signing bonuses.

    What he did get though was $7 million in the final year of his deal, and that guarantees a qualifying offer of $7 million and puts all the risk on CBJ.

    C-Mac could very well be looking for signing bonuses and lockout protection and a lower qualifying offer, putting more risk on himself.
     
    RustyBruins72, gumgum, Estlin and 2 others like this.
  9. DKH

    DKH Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    53,533
    Likes Received:
    12,134
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Logic says they try and get the RFA deals done in next 48-72 hours
     
    RustyBruins72 and gumgum like this.
  10. BMC

    BMC Per Johan Axelsson Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2003
    Messages:
    44,524
    Likes Received:
    16,680
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Northeastern CT
    I agree. If the negotiations get contentious that won't bode well for McAvoy playing his entire career here even if he does get what he wants.
     
  11. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    I thought it would be done today. 4 years, $6.25 million AAV. RFA when it expires, qualifying offer would be $6.5 million.
     
  12. Smitty93

    Smitty93 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2,440
    Likes Received:
    2,354
    Trophy Points:
    127
    You have a much better understanding than the rest of us, but that seems a bit high, considering Werenski just got 3 years, $5 million AAV. I would have thought that $5.75 would be the high end for a 4 year deal.

    What's your opinion on Werenski vs McAvoy? Is McAvoy considered that much better around the league?
     
    JOKER 192 likes this.
  13. DKH

    DKH Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    53,533
    Likes Received:
    12,134
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Yes - I expect him at camp and Carlo as well

    Sounds close
     
  14. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Werenski undersold himself IMO. BUT, his next contract would come a year earlier and his next deal starts at $7 million. A fourth year would have seen a more comparable contract. And by the time the 4th year is up, Werenski could earn as close to what McAvoy would earn in what I said above.
     
    Estlin likes this.
  15. tonino2424

    tonino2424 Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2005
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Dom, What kind of contract do you think Carlo will end up getting in your opinion? Thx
     
  16. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Been saying it for a while now. He's not more then a $3.5 million d-man right now. So I see a 2, maybe 3 year deal.

    IMO, if his agent is looking for more, his agent is doing him a disservice. Bruins could go longer to keep the cap hit down in a few years.

    But talking to an agent (not Carlo's), 2, 3 years at around $3.5 million per is where he sees him.
     
    gumgum and Estlin like this.
  17. tonino2424

    tonino2424 Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2005
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Mi piace leggere il tuo lavoro in quanto sei molto impreciso con le tue conoscenze. :)
     
  18. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Non c'e bisogno di insulti
     
  19. JOKER 192

    JOKER 192 Just a Fan

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Messages:
    9,492
    Likes Received:
    2,895
    Trophy Points:
    127
    Location:
    Montreal,Canada
    I think he was trying to complement but used google translate to make sure his spelling was good. Just a guess.
     
    Spooner st, tonino2424 and Dom - OHL like this.
  20. tonino2424

    tonino2424 Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2005
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Yes, I did exactly that. It was meant as a compliment. Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say your info was always very accurate. My apologies for the confusion Dom. :)
     
  21. Dom - OHL

    Dom - OHL RETIRED Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    14,301
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Stratford, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Thanks.

    But it's not really info, Just the opinion of someone not directly involved who's opinion I sought
     
    tonino2424 likes this.
  22. CharasLazyWrister

    CharasLazyWrister Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    12,853
    Likes Received:
    3,986
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ahhlington, MA
    I like Carlo, but I agree with Dom. Some of the higher numbers people have thrown out seem to be based off of what people see as his potential, rather than what he’s actually proven.

    A big part of RFA status is the team gets some more leverage to really make these “fringe top players” prove themselves in a second contract. It’s hard for me to see justifying more than 4 million AAV any term, and even that feels a bit high. That being said, I thought Heinen was a bit high, so maybe it’s just right.
     
    gumgum likes this.
  23. tonino2424

    tonino2424 Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2005
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    81
    I understand. Thx. :)
     
  24. gumgum

    gumgum Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    464
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Female
    I am almost thinking Carlo signs a 1-year deal at a lower hit than most of us are projecting and sort of 'given' the task of proving he can contribute in a more diverse way than he's shown. I think it makes sense for both him and the team, although if you can get him at under 3 against the cap for multiple years, it's a no-brainer. Idk enough about what he's shown in terms of offensive capabilities before playing in the NHL, but he's obviously super mobile and could absolutely stand to push the play more.
     
  25. gumgum

    gumgum Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    464
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Female
    1 year at 2m
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"