Dreger: Carolina looking for Top 4 Dman - 1st Rounder in play

[bernmeister]

Skjei and Georgiev for Toronto's 1st, Gauthier and one of Bokk, Kuokkanen or Puistola

That’s a hell no

that's too much and while CAR could use Geo, he's not a primary fit they want to use trade capital for.

maybe
Skjei + 2020 3rd + Strome + rights to Lindbom*
for
Canes two 2020 1sts + McKeown + acceptable cap coming back

this ^ is one variation
others are also acceptable

*Lindy is a 2nd rnd G pick, 3o something OA, not even in the pipeline w/Shesty, Geo, Hulska, Wall. Likely does nothing for you now, but worth having to contend w/yer prospects sooner than later.

 

[spockBokk]

that's too much and while CAR could use Geo, he's not a primary fit they want to use trade capital for.

maybe
Skjei + 2020 3rd + Strome + rights to Lindbom*
for
Canes two 2020 1sts + McKeown + acceptable cap coming back

this ^ is one variation
others are also acceptable

*Lindy is a 2nd rnd G pick, 3o something OA, not even in the pipeline w/Shesty, Geo, Hulska, Wall. Likely does nothing for you now, but worth having to contend w/yer prospects sooner than later.

A bigger HELL NO

 

[bernmeister]

A bigger HELL NO

care
to share
what you think might be fair?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

care
to share
what you think might be fair?

Canes aren’t likely to give up both 1sts in a strong draft, particularly when the Canes may not even make the playoffs

 

[bobholly39]

We aren’t confident about making thigh playoffs at all. The metro is a blood bath. We could end up being a top 10 team in the league and still miss.

No way we give up an unprotected 1st

I'm certain I expected this reaction from fans on HF. This is a sensible take, so no issue with your reply.

But i'm not sure team managements always feel this way. In some cases, they just want to go for it, and are confident they'll make it. Maybe from Carolina's management standpoint, in a year where they feel pretty damn confident about making playoffs - the difference in value in trading an unprotected first, vs a protected first, wouldn't be that big, since they're certain they'll be in the playoffs anyways.

That's what i'd be hoping for.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

lol... that's an awesome take.
Basically 3 1sts for a top 4 D and a starting goalie?!?!?!

except your starting goalie isnt any better than our starting goalies and that is saying something.

A top 4 D that isnt a large enough improvement that we need. So there is that too.

If Skj was a RHD then it would be helpful but he isnt.

 

[GoldiFox]

fully concur
only thing I don't understand is why no willingness to bite on a guy like NY's Strome, who is expiring, but has RFA rights? Even if NY throws in small sweetener, is he not worth a 2nd?
He would not solve all yr problems, and there is no guarantee he performs as well down there as he has up here w/Panarin. However, chemistry is a very fragile and surprising thing, not easy to predict.

At right price, reward = risk.
combo deal w/Skjei

that's too much and while CAR could use Geo, he's not a primary fit they want to use trade capital for.

maybe
Skjei + 2020 3rd + Strome + rights to Lindbom*
for
Canes two 2020 1sts + McKeown + acceptable cap coming back

this ^ is one variation
others are also acceptable

*Lindy is a 2nd rnd G pick, 3o something OA, not even in the pipeline w/Shesty, Geo, Hulska, Wall. Likely does nothing for you now, but worth having to contend w/yer prospects sooner than later.

Brind'Amour will rely on Jordan Staal as his go-to center until the end of time. Similar to how he played Justin Faulk on the #1PP over Dougie Hamilton for the entirety of the 2018-19 season. Strome will be in line for a big payday which I wouldn't want to be on the hook for.

I'd be ok with the worse of CAR/TOR 1st + McKeown for Skjei.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm certain I expected this reaction from fans on HF. This is a sensible take, so no issue with your reply.

But i'm not sure team managements always feel this way. In some cases, they just want to go for it, and are confident they'll make it. Maybe from Carolina's management standpoint, in a year where they feel pretty damn confident about making playoffs - the difference in value in trading an unprotected first, vs a protected first, wouldn't be that big, since they're certain they'll be in the playoffs anyways.

That's what i'd be hoping for.

Of course that’s what you’d hope for, but it’s the same reason why teams rarely trade unprotected firsts unless they are a shoe in. Even the Pens, who are a shoe in put some protection on the pick that went to the Wild.

I bet SJS is loving that they traded an unprotected 1st

 

[Junohockeyfan]

They should go after petry

MB won't trade Petry. With the young group of forwards, the Habs need Petry to help move the puck and support their development. Last thing you do is impede development by having young forwards trapped in their zone all game.

 

[Mrfenn92]

that's too much and while CAR could use Geo, he's not a primary fit they want to use trade capital for.

maybe
Skjei + 2020 3rd + Strome + rights to Lindbom*
for
Canes two 2020 1sts + McKeown + acceptable cap coming back
this ^ is one variation
others are also acceptable

*Lindy is a 2nd rnd G pick, 3o
something OA, not even in the pipeline w/Shesty, Geo, Hulska, Wall. Likely does nothing for you now, but worth having to contend
w/yer prospects sooner than later.

It's funny you tell someone that's too much then counter with two first round picks going back.

 

[AfroThunder396]

If you kicked tires on Vatanen but don't want a rental, just trade for Severson then.

 

[Smitty426]

If you kicked tires on Vatanen but don't want a rental, just trade for Severson then.

Not a late first though!
Sevs is up and down but PK is not steady eddy either.

 

[Yatzhee]

Lebrun mentioning Montour or Risto out of Buffalo.

 

[go comets]

What is Hamiltons status?? will he return this season??

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What is Hamiltons status?? will he return this season??

They are saying he could come back the last 2 weeks of the season. 1 of 2 reasons he isnt on LTIR.

 

[bernmeister]

Canes aren’t likely to give up both 1sts in a strong draft, particularly when the Canes may not even make the playoffs

fair enuf we can cut this back to (basically) one 1st for (basically) Skjei

Brind'Amour will rely on Jordan Staal as his go-to center until the end of time. Similar to how he played Justin Faulk on the #1PP over Dougie Hamilton for the entirety of the 2018-19 season. Strome will be in line for a big payday which I wouldn't want to be on the hook for.

I'd be ok with the worse of CAR/TOR 1st + McKeown for Skjei.

works for me

It's funny you tell someone that's too much then counter with two first round picks going back.

Mr. Disingenuous....
That post someone attempted to extort top $ for both Skjei + Geo, basically.

Mine was basically a 1st for Skjei
+ adds
to upgrade Strome [valued at 2nd to 2nd+]
for another presumably late 1st

not the same.

 

[Liferleafer]

Lebrun mentioning Montour or Risto out of Buffalo.

Montour would make sense...anybody talking about Manson in here? That seems like a good fit if they are moving a 1st.

 

[Calad]

Brind'Amour will rely on Jordan Staal as his go-to center until the end of time. Similar to how he played Justin Faulk on the #1PP over Dougie Hamilton for the entirety of the 2018-19 season. Strome will be in line for a big payday which I wouldn't want to be on the hook for.

I'd be ok with the worse of CAR/TOR 1st + McKeown for Skjei.

Skjei is a top 4 LD signed for 4 more seasons at 5.25 per. Considering the rental market a middle-late first and a good F prospect seems like a reasonable price.

McKeown does nothing for our team/system. Replace him with a good F prospect and it's a deal. Drury, Bokk, Kuokkanen, or Gauthier are all reasonable targets. I wouldn't bother asking for Suzuki or Puistola since those are your top forward prospects.

 

[James West]

They want a C - willing to part with Necas?

they won't move Necas

 

[Don Chytil]

Brind'Amour will rely on Jordan Staal as his go-to center until the end of time. Similar to how he played Justin Faulk on the #1PP over Dougie Hamilton for the entirety of the 2018-19 season. Strome will be in line for a big payday which I wouldn't want to be on the hook for.

I'd be ok with the worse of CAR/TOR 1st + McKeown for Skjei.

Fair offer but I'm not sure if we need McKeown. Would rather a solid forward prospect or just the better of the two 1sts straight up for Skjei.

 

[Stickpucker]

Assuming that's Carolina's 1st that's a decent haul for Ristolainen. I may be higher on Kuokkanen than many Sabres fans, but I probably do that deal.

So the deal was Martinook / Kuokks and 1st.

Is there any interest in Neiderreiter instead of Kuokks?

Or maybe Kuokks + Nino + 3rd for Risto?

 

[is the answer jesus]

So the deal was Martinook / Kuokks and 1st.

Is there any interest in Neiderreiter instead of Kuokks?

Or maybe Kuokks + Nino + 3rd for Risto?

No not at all. That takes a lot of value out of the package. Neiderreiter would be an ok reclamation project, but the Sabres need help up the middle. A 1st could provide another center prospect in the system or be used as a piece to trade for a middle 6 center. Although Kuokkanen has been playing wing (I believe) I think he can be a Center at the NHL level and he looks nhl ready.

 

[Xirik]

Not a late first though!
Sevs is up and down but PK is not steady eddy either.

perhaps there could be a + added on the canes side?

 

[zcaptain]

Did I just go 6 pages without a Tanev proposal?

Tanev for your 2 - 2nds

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Skjei should be available.