TSN: Carolina interested in Kapanen

[Roboturner913]

Can both teams just trade a 2nd + 5th for TVR instead?

If Faulk would be third pair on the Leafs, then TVR would be the stickboy

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Kap was projected at 41 ES points (7 points in 14 games while Matthews injured). Justin Williams had 39 last year. So he is a Williams-calibre winger. Not worth anything close to Pesce. We cracked the case.

Justin Williams is 37 and definitely seen his best days already, Kapanen is 22 with his best days in front of him.
Sorry I guess you didn't crack the case Inspector Clouseau.

 

[Liferleafer]

Honest question Canes fans....what's the ask on Faulk? If we bring him in we can trade Gardiner at the deadline.

 

[Dache]

0.5 even strength points per game is very very good. 1st line caliber.

Never said it wasn’t good production. Just commenting on the post that he was “over a ppg without Matthews”

 

[Em etah Eh]

Age 21:

Tarasenko: 38gms, 13:25 (1:47pp), 8gls (3pp), 19pts (5pp) --- 82gms, 17gls (6pp), 41pts (11pp)
Kapanen: 38gms, 11:15 (0:01pp), 7gls (0pp), 9pts (0pp) ------ 82gms, 15gls (0pp), 19pts (0pp)

Age 22:

Tarasenko: 64gms, 15:10 (1:40pp), 21gls (5pp), 43pts (7pp) --- 82gms, 27gls (6pp), 55pts (9pp)
Kapanen: 33gms, 16:20 (0:36pp), 12gls (0pp), 22pts (0pp) ----- 82gms, 30gls (0pp), 55pts (0pp)

I'm curious, who were Tarasenko's most common linemates during his age 22 season?

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I see Kapanen in a Carolina jersey. Don't know why, but always thought Kapanen in Carolina would work.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

I see Kapanen in a Carolina jersey. Don't know why, but always thought Kapanen in Carolina would work.

you are thinking of samuel j. kapanen

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Personally, I think the Canes would "strike out" if they traded for Kapanen.

Meanwhile, the Pesce for Nylander trade previously discussed would've been a "home run."

Kapanen may have the speed to steal 50 bases this year, but doesn't offer much else that does it for me. Pesce's a 3 tool guy, but doesn't offer much in the batter's box.

"Baseball."




Perhaps Toronto would be interested in Teravainen, after watching another TT skip town this winter?

 

[Randy Randerson]

you are thinking of samuel j. kapanen

Well, Kasperi too

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'm curious, who were Tarasenko's most common linemates during his age 22 season?

Berglund and Schwartz, Kapanen's are Kadri and Marleau

 

[Atomos2]

I'm not the one hyping Kapanen here like he was one.

The guy at 22y has 1 22 point season in the NHL and he's a game changer now.

Umm...you don't need to be a franchise player to be worth more than Pesce.

 

[BB88]

Umm...you don't need to be a franchise player to be worth more than Pesce.

That wasn't Kaps vs Pesce.

Just read the thread.

 

[sd1976]

You do realize that when TT hit 60+ points last year, Aho wasn't his center, right? They both played wing so your argument really isn't an argument. KK fastest player on the Canes. Yes. Highest scorer? Please. He's not going to outscore Aho. KK best PKer? Laughable and shows you don't know you kills penalties for the Canes.

You do realize that most of his points came playing with Aho and on the PP right? You do realize I said highest goal scorer right? Outside of the offensive black hole defensive Center that is staal, KK would be your best pk’ing Forward.

 

[sd1976]

Let’s see Slavin in Babcock’s system.

Hell, let’s see Slavin for team USA.

Ifs and buts. Fact is there isn’t a gym in the league who would value Slavin ahead of Rielly.

 

[sd1976]

No, he’s not garbage. He’s just not what we need. Go ahead and throw a several more million (that you don’t have) at the guy. We’ll happily keep our guys and continue to draft and develop. We’ll get BACK to the promised land without tanking for a generational talent.

Yeah, it shows.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

Yeah, it shows.

It really does. We’re much better off today than we’ve been at any point this decade. Our farm team is #1 in the AHL and is stacked with young talent. We’ve got two franchise players in Aho and Svech, and a defense that most teams would kill for (hence the gajillion offers we see here everyday). Efforts to address the goalie situation have failed miserably (thanks Darling!), but I am certain they will try again next offseason to fix it. Finally, we have a new owner that is passionate about winning and stated he is willing to spend (just not for the sake of spending).

Although the games can sometimes be difficult to watch, we’re pretty psyched about the future.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

Ifs and buts. Fact is there isn’t a gym in the league who would value Slavin ahead of Rielly.

Can you teach me your amazing divination techniques? I can barely figure out what my wife is thinking, yet you can speak for EVERY NHL GM. You’ve got mad skills bro!

 

[7even]

So Carolina is interested in Kapanen as per the title.
Does anyone know how interested and what they offered if they even did?

Just trying to avoid 35 pages of my Pesce is bigger than yours and see if there is anything concrete.

Terrific

 

[StormCast]

You do realize that most of his points came playing with Aho and on the PP right? You do realize I said highest goal scorer right? Outside of the offensive black hole defensive Center that is staal, KK would be your best pk’ing Forward.

The point was centers carrying wingers so you're still off base. Yes, Aho will score more goals than Kapanen, why the confusion? Funny too how now you've moved the goal posts on the Canes PK. Just not far enough. McGinn, Foegle and Martinook (heard of any of them?) are all better PKers than KK.

Hope that helps.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The point was centers carrying wingers so you're still off base. Yes, Aho will score more goals than Kapanen, why the confusion? Funny too how now you've moved the goal posts on the Canes PK. Just not far enough. McGinn, Foegle and Martinook (heard of any of them?) are all better PKers than KK.

Hope that helps.

PK is totally a need for Carolina, too. All the way down at 12th.

If only we had an elite penalty killer like Kapanen, we could be at 18th like Toronto.

 

[StormCast]

PK is totally a need for Carolina, too. All the way down at 12th.

If only we had an elite penalty killer like Kapanen, we could be at 18th like Toronto.

Before this thread is invariably locked, Kapanen will be elevated to a Selke candidate.

 

[zeke]

delete

 

[zeke]

The point was centers carrying wingers so you're still off base. Yes, Aho will score more goals than Kapanen, why the confusion? Funny too how now you've moved the goal posts on the Canes PK. Just not far enough. McGinn, Foegle and Martinook (heard of any of them?) are all better PKers than KK.

Hope that helps.

why would you even bother saying this? do you think anyone thinks you actually know which of these guys is a better PKer than the other?

At least with kappy, we have some objective evidence that he's pretty great on the PK. There's 4 leafs forwards that get significant PK time - Hyman, Brown, Lindholm, Kapanen. Now Kappy is generally on the 2nd PK unit, but there's not a huge difference between the two units in general, and Kappy's defensive numbers on the PK are easily the best:

zone/score adjusted:

Kappy: 42.9ca/60, 1.97xga/60, 1.72ga/60
Brown: 52.7ca/60, 2.44xga/60, 2.47ga/60
Hyman: 57.7ca/60, 2.51xga/60, 2.55ga/60
Lindholm: 53.4ca/60, 2.73xga/60, 3.97ga/60

no adjustments:

Kappy: 84.5ca/60, 5.70xga/60, 4.83ga/60
Brown: 105.6ca/60, 6.96xga/60, 7.04ga/60
Hyman: 120.8ca/60, 7.43xga/60, 7.71ga/60
Lindholm: 107.5ca/60, 7.85xga/60, 11.26ga/60

Now we can only learn so much from PK stats, but Kappy is such a big jump up from the others that it's hard to ignore - especially since his main PK partner Lindholm is easily he worst of the 4.

And looking back the previous year's numbers seem to tell a similar story.

The objective evidence suggests Kappy is a pretty terrific PKer.




Why do you have to make stuff up to try and make Kapanen look worse?

 

[BAM]

It really does. We’re much better off today than we’ve been at any point this decade. Our farm team is #1 in the AHL and is stacked with young talent. We’ve got two franchise players in Aho and Svech, and a defense that most teams would kill for (hence the gajillion offers we see here everyday). Efforts to address the goalie situation have failed miserably (thanks Darling!), but I am certain they will try again next offseason to fix it. Finally, we have a new owner that is passionate about winning and stated he is willing to spend (just not for the sake of spending).

Although the games can sometimes be difficult to watch, we’re pretty psyched about the future.

He's got potential sure but he hasn't shown that in his rookie year, on pace for 44 points. Other similarly touted wingers in their 18 year old seasons: Hall - 42 in 65, on pace for 53 points, Laine - 64 points, etc... even guys like Tkachuk who weren't known as offensive stars put up 48 points in their rookie season.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

He's got potential sure but he hasn't shown that in his rookie year, on pace for 44 points. Other similarly touted wingers in their 18 year old seasons: Hall - 42 in 65, on pace for 53 points, Laine - 64 points, etc... even guys like Tkachuk who weren't known as offensive stars put up 48 points in their rookie season.

he is starting to heat up though. very clear growth between games 1-9, 10-19, 21-now. he has finally figured out what works at this level.