Player Discussion Canucks sign D Tyler Myers to 5-Year, $30m Deal ($6m AAV) | Part 2

[GetFocht]

Have to love the all star Canucks team from the extreme pessimists. Apparently these guys would have brought us a cup: Hutton, Biega, McCann, and I'm sure that I'm missing more plugs that are endlessly brought up here.

 

[4Twenty]

To expand on your point, let's not forget that 22.3% of posters here preferred Hutton straight up over Myers, ignoring contracts!

Myers or Hutton, This Year

Myers has his flaws, but that poll result is embarrassing. If that question was posted as a poll on the main board it would have been laughed at.

Hutton is putting up pretty good metrics so far this season now that he's unshackled from Gudbranson. We already know Edler can carry a pairing.

Ben Hutton - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

Tyler Myers - Summary - Natural Stat Trick


Both guys are playing on a top pair, with a guy who can carry a pairing and putting up similar results, other than Hutton has been on for 3 against at 5 on 5, vs 7 for Myers.

One took $30m to sign, the other $1.5m.

 

[elwin316]

Hutton is putting up pretty good metrics so far this season now that he's unshackled from Gudbranson. We already know Edler can carry a pairing.

Ben Hutton - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

Tyler Myers - Summary - Natural Stat Trick


Both guys are playing on a top pair, with a guy who can carry a pairing and putting up similar results, other than Hutton has been on for 3 against at 5 on 5, vs 7 for Myers.

One took $30m to sign, the other $1.5m.

I appreciate your commitment to your original vote, but the bolded part above wasn't part of the question. Hence the ridiculous poll result.

Also, pretty sure this was beaten to death already, but being a top pair Dman on a team with a weak defense ≠ actually being a top pair Dman. And yes, I would apply this same logic to conclude that Myers is not a top pair Dman either.

 

[4Twenty]

I appreciate your commitment to your original vote, but the bolded part above wasn't part of the question. Hence the ridiculous poll result.

Also, pretty sure this was beaten to death already, but being a top pair Dman on a team with a weak defense ≠ actually being a top pair Dman. And yes, I would apply this same logic to conclude that Myers is not a top pair Dman either.

Why did you bring it up if it's been beaten to death?

Neither are top pair defenders, one is 26, the other is 29.

I don't think there is actually a ton that separates these players in actual ability. That's why I just showed you the numbers albeit in a small sample to start a season. Myers has 1 more assist.

 

[elwin316]

Why did you bring it up if it's been beaten to death?

Neither are top pair defenders, one is 26, the other is 29.

I don't think there is actually a ton that separates these players in actual ability. That's why I just showed you the numbers albeit in a small sample to start a season. Myers has 1 more assist.

I suppose some things just need to be brought up more than once as a reminder.

Case in point, you've already referenced their salary and now you are referring to their ages. Neither are applicable to the poll question:
(ignore contract/side) 2019-20 only, Myers or Hutton

 

[Numba9]

I suppose some things just need to be brought up more than once as a reminder.

Case in point, you've already referenced their salary and now you are referring to their ages. Neither are applicable to the poll question:
(ignore contract/side) 2019-20 only, Myers or Hutton

If you asked me before the poll was posted who would vote Hutton I'd probably hit close to 100%. It's amazing how certain posters are so predictable yet apparently have no bias or agendas.

 

[4Twenty]

I suppose some things just need to be brought up more than once as a reminder.

Case in point, you've already referenced their salary and now you are referring to their ages. Neither are applicable to the poll question:
(ignore contract/side) 2019-20 only, Myers or Hutton

So the premise of that thread was stupid to begin with.

What were you hoping to get out of bringing back that thread...if you can't discuss context it's a stupid premise.

You should've just bolded the part where I said there is very little that separates these players in actual ability.

 

[bandwagonesque]

So the premise of that thread was stupid to begin with.

What were you hoping to get out of bringing back that thread...if you can't discuss context it's a stupid premise.

You should've just bolded the part where I said there is very little that separates these players in actual ability.

The premise of the thread was the question of which one was the better defenceman. Their contracts weren't relevant to that question and people generally answered with that in mind.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Have to love the all star Canucks team from the extreme pessimists. Apparently these guys would have brought us a cup: Hutton, Biega, McCann, and I'm sure that I'm missing more plugs that are endlessly brought up here.

You'd have to be crazy to prefer Sutter or Beagle over McCann, especially given contracts and age.

 

[elwin316]

So the premise of that thread was stupid to begin with.

What were you hoping to get out of bringing back that thread...if you can't discuss context it's a stupid premise.

You should've just bolded the part where I said there is very little that separates these players in actual ability.

That was the point of the poll, no? All things equal, "if you ran a team aspiring to decent hockey this upcoming season who would you choose", Myers or Hutton? You can't seem to address this question without adding other variables. I'm not sure if it's reading comprehension or bias that is causing this to happen.

 

[4Twenty]

That was the point of the poll, no? All things equal, "if you ran a team aspiring to decent hockey this upcoming season who would you choose", Myers or Hutton? You can't seem to address this question without adding other variables. I'm not sure if it's reading comprehension or bias that is causing this to happen.

I don't think there is actually a ton that separates these players in actual ability.

So it comes down to personal preference. I don't think it makes anyone wrong like you were suggesting by bringing it up.


Add context, then it's actually worth discussing, the premise as is, is silly.

 

[EpochLink]

Have to love the all star Canucks team from the extreme pessimists. Apparently these guys would have brought us a cup: Hutton, Biega, McCann, and I'm sure that I'm missing more plugs that are endlessly brought up here.

Lmao, I spit out my coffee laughing at this post. Hutton was whatever, Biega I won’t step into because apparently I ruffled up some feelings for a few and McCann gets way more hype since he left here.

 

[elwin316]

I don't think there is actually a ton that separates these players in actual ability.

So it comes down to personal preference. I don't think it makes anyone wrong like you were suggesting by bringing it up.


Add context, then it's actually worth discussing, the premise as is, is silly.

Fair enough, on a side note though, with just a little hockey tape you should be able to convert your #27 Canucks jersey to a #57

 

[4Twenty]

Fair enough, on a side note though, with just a little hockey tape you should be able to convert your #27 Canucks jersey to a #57

Cute. I wish I had $350 disposable dollars I could spend on a jersey. I've got one shirsey.....#1

 

[Hit the post]

Cute. I wish I had $350 disposable dollars I could spend on a jersey. I've got one shirsey.....#1

I'm holding on to my Guds jersey. A true collectors item.

(Myers has already looked better than all the seasons the big goof did for us).

 

[beachcomber]

Have to love the all star Canucks team from the extreme pessimists. Apparently these guys would have brought us a cup: Hutton, Biega, McCann, and I'm sure that I'm missing more plugs that are endlessly brought up here.

Don't forget Shinkaruk who had huge value before being traded.

 

[EpochLink]

Don't forget Shinkaruk who had huge value before being traded.

Oh man he sure had potential.
Remember when he got traded to Calgary and scored in his first game? People here lost their damn mind saying we lost a future 40 goal scorer.

 

[Grub]

Oh man he sure had potential.
Remember when he got traded to Calgary and scored in his first game? People here lost their damn mind saying we lost a future 40 goal scorer.

Remember when we thought Hodgson would be an elite #1 centerman?

 

[Pip]

That was the point of the poll, no? All things equal, "if you ran a team aspiring to decent hockey this upcoming season who would you choose", Myers or Hutton? You can't seem to address this question without adding other variables. I'm not sure if it's reading comprehension or bias that is causing this to happen.

Is this a team being run in a league where the cap doesn’t exist? If not then cap hit is always relevant. What a pointless poll.

 

[4Twenty]

Don't forget Shinkaruk who had huge value before being traded.

lets be fair here....remember the love fest for the guy they traded him for too? Go back and look at some Granlund threads for a hoot.

 

[Nazzlind]

Is this a team being run in a league where the cap doesn’t exist? If not then cap hit is always relevant. What a pointless poll.

bro, the question is literally asking who the better player is between the two, strictly based on their skills as hockey players.

how is that pointless?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Why did you bring it up if it's been beaten to death?

Neither are top pair defenders, one is 26, the other is 29.

I don't think there is actually a ton that separates these players in actual ability. That's why I just showed you the numbers albeit in a small sample to start a season. Myers has 1 more assist.

Hutton is putting up pretty good metrics so far this season now that he's unshackled from Gudbranson. We already know Edler can carry a pairing.

Ben Hutton - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

Tyler Myers - Summary - Natural Stat Trick


Both guys are playing on a top pair, with a guy who can carry a pairing and putting up similar results, other than Hutton has been on for 3 against at 5 on 5, vs 7 for Myers.

One took $30m to sign, the other $1.5m.

You can’t seriously tell me, after watching 4 years of Hutton, you would still rather see him on the top pairing with Edler.,,,,,,

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

lets be fair here....remember the love fest for the guy they traded him for too? Go back and look at some Granlund threads for a hoot.

Similar to all the Hutton/Biega love
One of the main reason this team has been bad over the past 4 years is because they keep playing plugs like Hutton, Biega and Goldobin. And weirdly, part of the fan base grew so attached to these plugs.
If Hutton plays anywhere above bottom pair on your team, your team is f***ed

 

[MS]

Similar to all the Hutton/Biega love
One of the main reason this team has been bad over the past 4 years is because they keep playing plugs like Hutton, Biega and Goldobin. And weirdly, part of the fan base grew so attached to these plugs.
If Hutton plays anywhere above bottom pair on your team, your team is ****ed

Hutton was a perfectly solid mid-pairing defender here and LA fans are loving him so far as a 20-minute guy there.

The biggest problem with Hutton was that he got stuck with the career-destroying black hole of suck that was Erik Gudbranson more often than the rest of the blueline combined. Whenever he wasn't with Gudbranson, he was a fine player here.

 

[Nazzlind]

Hutton is putting up pretty good metrics so far this season now that he's unshackled from Gudbranson. We already know Edler can carry a pairing.

Ben Hutton - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

Tyler Myers - Summary - Natural Stat Trick


Both guys are playing on a top pair, with a guy who can carry a pairing and putting up similar results, other than Hutton has been on for 3 against at 5 on 5, vs 7 for Myers.

One took $30m to sign, the other $1.5m.

I find it interesting how you're low key ignoring/downplaying the fact that Hutton plays with literally Drew Doughty lol