News: Brayden Point open to bridge, 5-year or even 8-year extension with Tampa as per agent

[DaPhazz]

Wow a full roster of stars. habs fans are funny..

Act like that all you want, but Habs scrubs are only 3 points behind the leafs super duper awesome team

 

[DistantThunderRep]

More people in Florida watch Auto racing than hockey. College Football too.

Hockey is the 6th most popular sport there.

Sure there are fans and the team is great, but lets not kid ourselves.

And it can still manage to have a successful hockey team with a solid fan base, selling out every game, with a magnificent owner who is renovating a whole downtown core, while providing a winning culture. You're the definition of the Toronto fan that gives the rest of the Toronto fans a bad name.

 

[Sheppy]

Point is the best tbl player imo. Everytime I watch them which is quite a bit I notice him the most.

Well, i mean Kucherov is solid.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Act like that all you want, but Habs scrubs are only 3 points behind the leafs super duper awesome team

Habs got their shit together this year. Always fun when the Habs are relevant.

 

[crackdown44]

Wow a full roster of stars. habs fans are funny..

The Kulak one sticks out to me lol. Calgary traded him to make room on their 3rd pair for their young guys. I’m glad he’s working out in Montreal but he’s a bottom pair guy

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

More people in Florida watch Auto racing than hockey. College Football too.

Hockey is the 6th most popular sport there.

Sure there are fans and the team is great, but lets not kid ourselves.

FLORIDA IS NOT TAMPA

its like saying Hockey sucks in Nevada so it sucks in VEgas.... but it doesn't sucks in Vegas, would it sucks in Reno ? ya probably...

Tampa is a 5th Arena attendance, Toronto is 3rd..... you don't know what your talking about about Tampa Bay because it's a real Hockey city.

 

[DaPhazz]

Toronto: We will sign all of them. Agent says no hometown discount, my player should get all the money

Tampa: Agent says the player really like it there and is open to do whats best for Tampa

I think its fair to say that low taxes isnt the only reason Tampa has a lot of good contracts.

Certainly not the only reason, but it's an important one

 

[NextYear67]

Lmao it turned into a Leafs thread.

 

[Holymakinaw]

And it can still manage to have a successful hockey team with a solid fan base, selling out every game, with a magnificent owner who is renovating a whole downtown core, while providing a winning culture. You're the definition of the Toronto fan that gives the rest of the Toronto fans a bad name.

Well, when foolish people start comparing what a team like Toronto, in the market they're in, has to pay their #1 Superstar.....to what a team like Tampa, in the market they are in, has to pay not even their best player.........they deserve a reality check.

Don't like it? Don't compare them

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I’m glad he’s working out in Montreal but he’s a bottom pair guy

I can see him be on the second pairing in a #4 if he keep working like that in 1-2 years.
He's got a great overall advanced stats this year with great shutdown in his own zone


Will he continue this way ? no clue..

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Lmao it turned into a Leafs thread.

nothing new, Leafs love to take a Thread away

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Certainly not the only reason, but it's an important one

It really isn't. Tampa players can pay anywhere from 37%-52% in taxes. If they are on the upper end then it's pretty much the same at other places. Plus property tax and etc are higher in Tampa. So taxes might be cheaper, it's not as big as the media and narrative make.

 

[WesMcCauley]

What do people think, they did some kind of GM IQ test before he was hired?

The issue in Toronto isnt the GM, it's the media. Turn on sportsnet or TSN and all you hear are insane numbers thrown around because it generates viewership. Once these players hear it enough they come to expect it.

It plays a part obviously but i dont think its the medias fault. Dubas probably shouldnt have said "we can and we will". Basically giving the players more power...

From the outside he seem to deal with his job using a very liberal theory. All about the players and they have to be comfortable, agree to a deal thats good for player X and his family, being very diplomatic etc. Which probably is a great thing on a daily basis and the NHL need some new blood and more diversity etc.

But i do think its fair to say it will probably hurt him in contract negotiations and some other parts of his job as well.
Its a reason behind why teams say as much awful stuff they can in arbitration every summer without destroying the relationship with their players, it works.
A big part of the GM´s job is to get their players sign to good contracts for the team. And if you cant do it, you are in trouble/arent icing the best possible team you can in a cap world.

 

[innitfam]

Well, when foolish people start comparing what a team like Toronto, in the market they're in, has to pay their #1 Superstar.....to what a team like Tampa, in the market they are in, has to pay not even their best player.........they deserve a reality check.

Don't like it? Don't compare them

So why is it that Kucherov, an objectively superior player to Matthews, earns 2M per year less, signed for 3 more years, and gave up 7 UFA years? If Tampa sucks to play in so much they must need to pay more than Toronto?

 

[Leafs87]

I mean, when comparing to Bergevin...everyone looks like Elon Musk.

Weird take I’ve heard him mentioned for GM of the year actually recently somewhere in the media. Can’t remwmber where though

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

So why is it that Kucherov, an objectively superior player to Matthews, earns 2M per year less, signed for 3 more years, and gave up 7 UFA years? If Tampa sucks to play im so much they must need to pay more than Toronto?

Uhhh NOBODY is superior to Matthews.. Cmon you know the rules!!

Lol

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Well, when foolish people start comparing what a team like Toronto, in the market they're in, has to pay their #1 Superstar.....to what a team like Tampa, in the market they are in, has to pay not even their best player.........they deserve a reality check.

Don't like it? Don't compare them

That's backwards. A team that can offer more money in endorsements and secondary income generation should have to pay less in actual dollar. Don't mind the tax circumvention that Matthews is already doing with his contract. Tampa can offer less secondary income opportunities and players still take less. And because you're not a smart cookie, I know you're going to regurgitate TSN and Sportsnet narrative of the big bad evil no state tax. I refer you prior posts of mine. Where it states Tampa players can pay anywhere from 37%-52% in taxes. If I remember correctly Toronto is 55%? Now for Matthews he escapes most tax because since contract is all bonuses, he only pays 37% like most Tampa players...

Toronto in reality shouldn't have to pay more dollar on the contract. They only do due to toxic fans like yourself and toxic media.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I'd be open to a short term deal too if I was a young elite or franchise player.

I think we're going to see a lot less RFAs sign the full 8 years unless it is a home run deal. Star players aren't being compensated highly enough to offset cap inflation, and with the prospect of a new US TV deal coming up, it's a good time to take a 3-5 year type contract and get almost straight into unrestricted free agency.

Look at Jack Eichel's contract. Signed less than two years ago and it's already evident that by going 8 years, he's likely left 10's of millions of dollars on the table throughout the lifetime of the contract. That contract was not even seen as much of a discount at the time. He just signed right before the cap started consisting climbing at a fast rate again.

Look at the Matthews contract. The rumour I believe is that he would have signed 8 years at 13 or 14 million. With where the cap is going, he'll earn enough on his third contract to more than offset that money left on the table. 5.5 years from now when his contract expires, the cap could be approaching 95-100 million if it continues to rise at a rate of 3-4 million per season.

 

[bukwas]

So he's open to negotiating. Does that really surprise anybody?
Unless there were previous term demands from Points camp that I never heard about, without more context, it's really not much of a story.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

No surprise for me. Great team, great place to live, taxes are not a concern, little media pressure. I'm sure Point will do whatever it takes to stick around.

 

[Brunomics]

What do people think, they did some kind of GM IQ test before he was hired?

The issue in Toronto isnt the GM, it's the media. Turn on sportsnet or TSN and all you hear are insane numbers thrown around because it generates viewership. Once these players hear it enough they come to expect it.

He was said to have an extremely high IQ for the game. I'll give him that. But there is a difference between having a high hockey IQ and negotiating actual contracts. It's apples and oranges.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Nylander with FAR worse stats signed for 7milx6. If Point, who is a spectacular player signs for something like 8x8, then this league is officially broken. I would hope at that point the league does whatever it takes to fix it. I don’t care if we miss a whole nhl season or two. I don’t care if it breaks the entire league apart and it loses a few teams. It would NEED to be fixed. I don’t care what if f***ing takes.

 

[Grimmas]

Shit, if he signs for 5 years it obviously means he wants to leave TB ASAP and get the f*** out of there right?

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

nothing new, Leafs love to take a Thread away

To be fair, the leafs weren't brought up by leafs fans.

 

[crackdown44]

Nylander with FAR worse stats signed for 7milx6. If Point, who is a spectacular player signs for something like 8x8, then this league is officially broken. I would hope at that point the league does whatever it takes to fix it. I don’t care if we miss a whole nhl season or two. I don’t care if it breaks the entire league apart and it loses a few teams. It would NEED to be fixed. I don’t care what if ****ing takes.

How would it be broken? GMs giving out bad deals and other GMs getting good deals doesn’t mean the league is broken. The Toronto deals aren’t even that bad. If Nylander gets back up to 60 points next year and Matthews is healthy it’ll be fine.

If Point wants to win and likes Tampa and takes less money then good for him