Player Discussion Brandon Sutter. Defensive Center. One More Year Remaining at $4.375 AAV (w/ M-NTC).

[geebaan]

He needs to be traded for any pick we can get

 

[Javaman]

How is it even possible that Sutter has zero assists after 24 games? Like, even the most hate-infested, doomsday analysis of Benning's acquisitions wouldn't have predicted this.

Is he just waiting for the Canucks to be officially eliminated from the playoffs before cranking up the As to his career average?

 

[jd22]

How is it even possible that Sutter has zero assists after 24 games? Like, even the most hate-infested, doomsday analysis of Benning's acquisitions wouldn't have predicted this.

Is he just waiting for the Canucks to be officially eliminated from the playoffs before cranking up the As to his career average?

He's waiting for garbage time to conduct his PPG party trick.

 

[Get North]

Damn reading this thread you wouldn't realize Sutter is tied for 2nd with most 5 on 5 goals on this team. We're going to be looking for a player like Sutter once we move him. Face offs, penalty killing, two-way game, decent shot and size.

 

[tantalum]

Damn reading this thread you wouldn't realize Sutter is tied for 2nd with most 5 on 5 goals on this team. We're going to be looking for a player like Sutter once we move him. Face offs, penalty killing, two-way game, decent shot and size.

Lol. He has points (well goals) in 4 games. That’s it. They will be looking for someone better to do those things. For the cap room he takes up that should be pretty damn easy.

His play is that of a multitude of players available every year for less than 2 mil a season. In terms of on ice performance, Sutter is as easy to walk away from as it is to walk away from Beagle, Eriksson, Benn, Roussel and Hamonic. That is if you can get a pick or middling/lower prospect for them you take it and run.

unfortunately for at least one of those contracts that isn’t possible.

 

[Hit the post]

Lol. He has points (well goals) in 4 games. That’s it. They will be looking for someone better to do those things. For the cap room he takes up that should be pretty damn easy.

His play is that of a multitude of players available every year for less than 2 mil a season. In terms of on ice performance, Sutter is as easy to walk away from as it is to walk away from Beagle, Eriksson, Benn, Roussel and Hamonic. That is if you can get a pick or middling/lower prospect for them you take it and run.

unfortunately for at least one of those contracts that isn’t possible.

Lol.

Sutter - NTC
Eriksson - NTC
Beagle - NTC
Roussel - NTC
Harmonic - NMC

Benn is the only guy on that list who doesn’t have a NTC. At least he’s not playing that bad & might actually be tradeable.

But Gillis handed NTCs like candy!

Benning needs more time!

 

[Fatass]

Lol.

Sutter - NTC
Eriksson - NTC
Beagle - NTC
Roussel - NTC
Harmonic - NMC

Benn is the only guy on that list who doesn’t have a NTC. At least he’s not playing that bad & might actually be tradeable.

But Gillis handed NTCs like candy!

Benning needs more time!

Handing out trade control in contracts to support players is a clear lack of having any plan. A plan should be in place to trade these players, like Sutter, in their UFA year for draft capital.

 

[iceburg]

I’ve said it before. JB should be nowhere near a negotiation table. And, given the performance, neither should his right hand man.
They have no capologist in the senior team
They have no negotiator on the senior team

What could possibly go wrong...

 

[SamInVan]

Damn reading this thread you wouldn't realize Sutter is tied for 2nd with most 5 on 5 goals on this team. We're going to be looking for a player like Sutter once we move him. Face offs, penalty killing, two-way game, decent shot and size.

We can take Sutter's $4.3m salary and bring in 2 or 3 players that can do the same. He is a 4c who can play 3c minutes when needed, nothing more.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

If Benning and FA will only go for a 'Hockey trade" to bolster their ridiculous playoff aspirations, and not accumulate draft picks to gravitate towards their strength in drafting, I suggest a Sutter and Eriksson (and Virtanen) for Manson (apparently he has underperformed for the past few years) and Henrique (and Heinen).

The salary's basically match.

Before you flame this idea: This presumes that after failing to give him away on waivers, the Ducks are absolutely desperate to rid themselves of the 2 additional years overhanging on Henrique's contract beyond what they would have to pay Eriksson.

 

[Hit the post]

Handing out trade control in contracts to support players is a clear lack of having any plan. A plan should be in place to trade these players, like Sutter, in their UFA year for draft capital.

I’d be somewhat fine if in exchange for those NTCs, the cap hits would come in lower. But seriously? Giving a NTC to a 4th line center who is STILL making 3 million?

 

[Fatass]

I’d be somewhat fine if in exchange for those NTCs, the cap hits would come in lower. But seriously? Giving a NTC to a 4th line center who is STILL making 3 million?

If we were in a winning window, as in competing every year during that contract for Cups, then I can see giving up NTC’s to support players to save on cap. But Benning gave out NTC’s to support players during a rebuilding phase, which is just the worst.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

He's waiting for garbage time to conduct his PPG party trick.

We’re already there.He’ll be unleashing his inner Gretzky any minute now.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

The trick is to move out crappy players with 2 years remaining on their contracts so they can immediately mobilize the Cap space available in the year after they have to sign Pettersson, Hughes and Demko.

With this ownership/management group what could go wrong?

 

[MS]

If we were in a winning window, as in competing every year during that contract for Cups, then I can see giving up NTC’s to support players to save on cap. But Benning gave out NTC’s to support players during a rebuilding phase, which is just the worst.

Also, top players always get NTCs. The Gillis NTCs (aside from the ones for Burrows/Higgins to get them signed way below market) were all for top-end core players.

The Benning NTCs are almost all to bottom-roster players.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Handing out trade control in contracts to support players is a clear lack of having any plan. A plan should be in place to trade these players, like Sutter, in their UFA year for draft capital.

Benning legitimately believed that Sutter would be a good 2C/3C on this team, that's why he replaced Bonino. Then when it became obvious he wasn't good enough, they tried him on the wing with the freakin' Sedins. He still wasn't very good...and was replaced with Granlund. He's had every chance to succeed over the last half decade and has disappointed pretty much every year. He's just not very good at hockey outside of a 4th line, minimal minutes role.

 

[4Twenty]

I keep hoping this is bumped because he’s been dealt. Nope. Some folks feel like trying to paint his current season as successful. Sick of seeing this players thread the top of the page. Can’t wait until he’s gone. He is the crown prince of the Benning era.

 

[tantalum]

Lol.

Sutter - NTC
Eriksson - NTC
Beagle - NTC
Roussel - NTC
Harmonic - NMC

Benn is the only guy on that list who doesn’t have a NTC. At least he’s not playing that bad & might actually be tradeable.

But Gillis handed NTCs like candy!

Benning needs more time!

Beagle is 5 team no trade this year so not bad but hilarious he has one.

Sutter is 15 team.

Roussel is 8 team

Eriksson is 15 team

forgot about Hamonic getting a NMC.

 

[Hit the post]

Beagle is 5 team no trade this year so not bad but hilarious he has one.

Sutter is 15 team.

Roussel is 8 team

Eriksson is 15 team

forgot about Hamonic getting a NMC.

Sutter got a *retroactive* NTC. Another facepalm moment by "The Great One".

Eriksson contract is pretty much full NTC by it's dollar amount.

 

[tantalum]

Sutter got a *retroactive* NTC. Another facepalm moment by "The Great One".

Eriksson contract is pretty much full NTC by it's dollar amount.

yes. And Eriksson isn’t going anywhere without a major asset going with. Or he retires (not happening) or gets bought out (not happening with this GM but does provide relief if done in the summer).

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

The Hamonic NMC is the only real example of Benning using the clause properly - to get the AAV down.

While the NMC/NTCs get a lot of attention, the other underrated incompetence of the Bennign regime is buyout-proof contracts, which Gillis never did. Eriksson, Myers...we can't even buy them out in their final year.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

If the Nucks want to move the 2022 UFA Class: Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel; they will have to add or take on an even stinkier contract. Actually there are a number of them around: Duchene, Henrique etc where the cap hit may be adjusted to be the same but the years of overhang are longer.

This is probably doable but risky.

 

[4Twenty]

If the Nucks want to move the 2022 UFA Class: Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel; they will have to add or take on an even stinkier contract. Actually there are a number of them around: Duchene, Henrique etc where the cap hit may be adjusted to be the same but the years of overhang are longer.

This is probably doable but risky.

Eriksson, Roussel, Virtanen and Gaudette for Ryan Johansen and Nick Cousins.

 

[Fatass]

Eriksson, Roussel, Virtanen and Gaudette for Ryan Johansen and Nick Cousins.

Great for us, but is that really fair? Is the RJ contract that bad?

 

[Hit the post]

The Hamonic NMC is the only real example of Benning using the clause properly - to get the AAV down.

While the NMC/NTCs get a lot of attention, the other underrated incompetence of the Bennign regime is buyout-proof contracts, which Gillis never did. Eriksson, Myers...we can't even buy them out in their final year.

Thing is, outside of Sutter & Roussel, we never really got even just ONE solid year out of those turds. Maybe Myers was passable one season (only because his defending didn't suck as expected by provided meh offense which is why he got $6 million).