Blues Trade Proposals 2020-21

[Brockon]

Aren't signing bonuses taxed only in the state of the team you're playing for? If so, that'd create an even larger gap in taxes paid.

As I said lazy approach due to a busy day. Definitely worth revisiting in depth.

I'd heard rumor that bonuses were taxed based on where your primary residence was - some players like Matthews have those in the US and would pay significantly less than Toronto's taxes there...

Regardless I hadn't even considered signing bonuses and how those would affect the dollar values - it's well worth figuring out.

 

[Mike Liut]

Or Tarasenko. I am not advocating it as I love depth, but it is a fun question to kick around.

Better then going after each other over player that left.

I get ya. I was just mentioning that it would require losing another player for financial reasons. So it would be Thomas, Kyrou and Schwartz for Eichel

 

[brokeu91]

I get ya. I was just mentioning that it would require losing another player for financial reasons. So it would be Thomas, Kyrou and Schwartz for Eichel

It would hurt our depth on the wings...a lot. It was our depth that won us a Stanley Cup. But there would be no other way to make it work under the cap. But could you imagine Schenn as a third line center? That's crazy center depth.

 

[MissouriMook]

I get ya. I was just mentioning that it would require losing another player for financial reasons. So it would be Thomas, Kyrou and Schwartz for Eichel

Buffalo needs quality D. It would be more like Thomas, Parayko and a 1st (maybe more) for Eichel and Jokiharju. Just don’t think the cost would be worth it, as one would expect for a team built around a collection of high end players but no true superstars. Unless the Sabres are retaining (and they should not) it upsets the roster dynamic to try to fit a $10M salary under the current flat cap.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

What would be the O'Reilly trade equivalent for Eichel?


Eichel


Sanford
Bozak
Kostin
2021 1st
2022 2nd
?

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Predators are reportedly lookin to blow it up. Forsberg and Arvidsson, anyone?

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

In all seriousness, even though Eichel is a great player (though I have some doubts about his influence on the players around him), it would ruin the Blues’ depth to trade two high quality cost controlled assets in Thomas and Kyrou to return him. In addition to those players, it would probably cost another veteran like Schwartz or Parayko who would no longer fit under the salary cap.

I guess I’m less enthusiastic about Eichel than most people. I just don’t see him inspiring his teammates to raise their play like you want from an elite player. If the Blues are going to blow up their depth for a special player, he isn’t the guy I’d do it for.

 

[Stealth JD]

You compare Berglund to Pietrangelo.

Berglund contract was ok, Lehterä and Allen contracts were horrendous.

Now Scandella's is IMO same category. Osa move By Army. Hesitate move.

The Scandella-extension is certainly looking expensive and premature. He should have been one of the guys getting squeezed from the finances of the pandemic, yet Army gives him 2-years and $1.5M/year more than he probably should have. The blue-line is looking pretty concerning if Parayko isn't healthy, or becomes a cap casualty. There's an infusion of talent needed on the back-end; and the bit that the Blues do have in the system just had shoulder surgery.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I’m home today with not much to do, so I though about acquiring Forsberg if he is available. Would Bozak, Sanford, Kostin, 1st, 2nd be enough to get him at 50%?

Forsberg O’Reilly Perron
Kyrou Schenn Tarasenko
Schwartz Thomas Hoffman
Clifford Barbashev Sundqvist

I would assume we’d let Schwartz walk in the summer.

 

[WeWentBlues]

I’m home today with not much to do, so I though about acquiring Forsberg if he is available. Would Bozak, Sanford, Kostin, 1st, 2nd be enough to get him at 50%?

Forsberg O’Reilly Perron
Kyrou Schenn Tarasenko
Schwartz Thomas Hoffman
Clifford Barbashev Sundqvist

I would assume we’d let Schwartz walk in the summer.

Not even close, IMO

 

[Honeycutt]

With Boom Boom out for the season, don't see the Blues making any moves this year, we now have the cap space the activate Tarasenko from IR.

 

[Beauterham]

I’m home today with not much to do, so I though about acquiring Forsberg if he is available. Would Bozak, Sanford, Kostin, 1st, 2nd be enough to get him at 50%?

Forsberg O’Reilly Perron
Kyrou Schenn Tarasenko
Schwartz Thomas Hoffman
Clifford Barbashev Sundqvist

I would assume we’d let Schwartz walk in the summer.

At this moment I wouldn't spend any assets at all. Gunnarsson (done?), Steen (done) and Perunovich are out for the season. Barbashev, Thomas (and Parayko?) are still out for a while. Bozak, Schwartz (?) and Tarasenko are closer but will probably not be at a 100% for a while when they come back. This season could go either way, we either fight to a playoff position and see from there or we're forced to retool and try to trade Hoffman and Bozak with retention for assets before the deadline. IMO we're not in a position to offer picks/prospects, at least not untill we've had that stretch of games against the Avs and Vegas and we have a better idea where we are at this season.

 

[TK 421]

The odds are stacked against the Blues with all these injuries which to me indicates the team shouldn't be looking to expend picks to improve, I would have wanted to hold onto picks no matter what the situation but especially now.

I'd like to wait for returning players to come back and just ride out the season with what we already have. Any retooling should happen this coming offseason imo.

 

[ezcreepin]

To me, I would rather the Blues offload some players and restock on futures if it is apparent that we wont make the playoffs. The injuries are piling up and a lot of the players are unmotivated to play. It's aggravating though because the way the team is losing has nothing to do with skill or anything like that, but just really dumb mistakes or not making efforts to get in the play. It was a completely different story playing the Kings back in mid 2010 when we were really putting the work in, checking hard, getting shots on net, but they just couldn't compete. That's not the same here and I'm just wondering what the coaching staff will/can do to get these guys going. At least competing like they want to win.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I’m not sold on this season being lost. The rest of the division isn’t good enough to compete with the beleaguered blues beyond 500. Our main competitors have lots of games to play in little time, and the Blues have shown they are doing everything they can to avoid COVID protocol. Things can change quickly, I suppose, but I think trying to load up when we have Schwartz, Hoffman, etc. is wise. I don’t think next year gets better — for the Blues or COVID.

 

[Ranksu]

If Blues will trade their 2021 1st round pick or any other couple round picks is mistake.

I'm not against idea acquiring vet dmen if you dont trust on Mikkola.

 

[Stealth JD]

Blues have enough depth to survive in the playoff race until guys like Schwartz, Thomas and Bozak return. If they're not fully healthy by the playoffs though, they'll be an easy out even if they do squeak in.
I wouldn't spend assets to strengthen this roster, unless you expect to be so healthy that you're having to scratch guys...then go get a D-man. 4th place and full-health by May 8th should be the new goal.

 

[Reality Czech]

Luke Schenn on waivers. I know he doesn't have much left, but is there a chance Army reunites the Schenn brothers?

 

[Frenzy31]

Luke Schenn on waivers. I know he doesn't have much left, but is there a chance Army reunites the Schenn brothers?

I think so. But he may well get claimed before reaching us. I think there is a reason he was waived today.

 

[Ranksu]

What would be the O'Reilly trade equivalent for Eichel?


Eichel


Sanford
Bozak
Kostin
2021 1st
2022 2nd
?

@Spektre have hack Vincenzo account. Bored at work?

 

[Spektre]

@Spektre have hack Vincenzo account. Bored at work?

c'mon @Ranksu I'd offer more than that.. throw in Sobotka or something

 

[Ranksu]

c'mon @Ranksu I'd offer more than that.. throw in Sobotka or something

Throw any Swedde and Im just fine.

 

[Spektre]

Throw any Swedde and Im just fine.

With Eichel’s salary it’s hard to even envision a cap compliant trade.

It’ll never never happen but here it is:

Dunn
Thomas
Sanford
Tarasenko
Bozak
2020 1st

for

Eichel


Lines could be something like:

Kyrou Eichel Hoffman
Schwartz ROR Perron
Blais Schenn Kostin
Clifford Barbashev Sundqvist

Krug Faulk
Scandella Parayko
Mikkola Bortuzzo


For the record I couldn’t figure out the salary without adding Tarasenko

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

With Eichel’s salary it’s hard to even envision a cap compliant trade.

It’ll never never happen but here it is:

Dunn
Thomas
Sanford
Tarasenko
Bozak
2020 1st

for

Eichel


Lines could be something like:

Kyrou Eichel Hoffman
Schwartz ROR Perron
Blais Schenn Kostin
Clifford Barbashev Sundqvist

Krug Faulk
Scandella Parayko
Mikkola Bortuzzo


For the record I couldn’t figure out the salary without adding Tarasenko

I’d expect the Blues to have a record like Buffalo’s if they made that trade.

 

[Spektre]

I’d expect the Blues to have a record like Buffalo’s if they made that trade.

I think the forwards are ok.. it’s the defense that really gives the current roster the most fits

It’s not Buffalo bad