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I'd be okay with him. Not a top coach and I would prefer someone who's a bit more of a non-nonsense guy but he would do.
Speculation: Bednar's future
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Tommy Shelby
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This organization doesn't hire coaches with any sort of NHL success or proven track record. The closest we ever came to that was hiring Q, and that was only because he started his coaching career here as an assistant.
They have this strange, backwards, engrained ideology that you don't need a higher end coach to win a Cup because they got carried by elite teams twice and won Cups with Crawford and Hartley, who had begun their NHL coaching careers as Avs HCs.
Well guess what boys at KSE, that same mindset has failed you ever since. The process of hiring some rookie coach, having them give one flash in the pan season before crashing and burning out has been repeated over and over again. No other organization would have kept on their HC after the monumental disaster that was Jared's first season.
But here we are, watching the organization make the same blunders they've always made and expecting a different result, then being surprised at the outcome.
We've become complacent and naively hopeful every time a rookie coach is hired, when really we should be demanding a proven coach that can win in the NHL.
They have this strange, backwards, engrained ideology that you don't need a higher end coach to win a Cup because they got carried by elite teams twice and won Cups with Crawford and Hartley, who had begun their NHL coaching careers as Avs HCs.
Well guess what boys at KSE, that same mindset has failed you ever since. The process of hiring some rookie coach, having them give one flash in the pan season before crashing and burning out has been repeated over and over again. No other organization would have kept on their HC after the monumental disaster that was Jared's first season.
But here we are, watching the organization make the same blunders they've always made and expecting a different result, then being surprised at the outcome.
We've become complacent and naively hopeful every time a rookie coach is hired, when really we should be demanding a proven coach that can win in the NHL.
He was walking into a buzzsaw on that one, so I was ok with him getting a mulligan.
The losing streak has some utility. Should take everyone off the fence about reupping certain players and coaches.
The Kingslayer
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A higher end coach in the late 90's might have gotten us a few more cups. Hartley was outcoached by Hitch in those two series and took to the final game of the season to win the cup in 01'. He was fired not long after that cup win aswell if memory serves. Then who comes in to replace Bob? Tony Granato who was handed a solid solid team and was outcoached by Lemaire in a 7 game series.
Given their track record I'd be shocked if they actually thought that far out of the box.
S3rkie
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They would do what they always do and promote from within or another nepotism hire from Sakic or Macfarland.
shadow1
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Unless Colorado gets off to a horrendous start next season, Bednar isn't going anywhere.
The guy is a good coach. Most of the recent losing streak can be blamed on bad goaltending; most of the rest can be blamed on a bad roster. We're not not in a Patrick Roy-esque situation where the Avalanche are getting outshot 37-25 every night.
The guy is a good coach. Most of the recent losing streak can be blamed on bad goaltending; most of the rest can be blamed on a bad roster. We're not not in a Patrick Roy-esque situation where the Avalanche are getting outshot 37-25 every night.
Sorry. I love Bednar. Players do too. But this overtime record to me is a coaching issue. They have no plays and get nothing done every time. No way a team with Mack Landy and Gabe consistently doesn’t look like a threat in 3v3
Cousin Eddie
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I think he’s a good coach who’s getting more out of a poor roster than he probably should. If the Avs got average goaltending in December and January they’re sitting comfortably in a playoff spot right now.
Let's not say it's ALL goaltending though. The only reason they stayed as long as they did is because the Western Conference has become a raging hotbed of mediocrity.
This is still the most penalized team in the NHL, this is still the team with the 27th-worst penalty kill in the league, and this is still the team with the worst record in OT by a huge, huge margin. Goaltending would be covering up some of these huge flaws but in a normal league year they'd be getting buried anyway.
This is still the most penalized team in the NHL, this is still the team with the 27th-worst penalty kill in the league, and this is still the team with the worst record in OT by a huge, huge margin. Goaltending would be covering up some of these huge flaws but in a normal league year they'd be getting buried anyway.
Cousin Eddie
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There’s absolutely things that need to be improved for this team to move into contender status, but mediocre goaltending over that 2 month span would have literally given us anywhere from 8-15 points. That puts us in 8th-12th place in the entire NHL.
The west is bad but the Avs were an absolute wagon to start the season. They were tied for 1st in the conference at the end of November. Mediocre goaltending these last two months would absolutely have us in a good place.
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I don't think Bednar in necessarily the issue or a bad coach. But his first season and this stretch of games is completely unacceptable for someone in 2/3 seasons honestly.
I said back last July we had mediocre roster and that every team in the division sans maybe Chicago was significantly better than ours. I was told by many in here that I was wrong.
Well it turns out that I was right We have a shit roster, no consistent secondary scoring and meh defense. What I did not predict was our goaltending collapse.
Needless to say we are a long way from having a middle of the road NHL roster. We have tons of holes and Sakic seems to be that dog that sits in the chair when the room is on fire saying everything is fine.
This crap is not on our coaching staff they are forced to ask too many guys to pay roles they simply aren't capable of doing.
Well it turns out that I was right We have a shit roster, no consistent secondary scoring and meh defense. What I did not predict was our goaltending collapse.
Needless to say we are a long way from having a middle of the road NHL roster. We have tons of holes and Sakic seems to be that dog that sits in the chair when the room is on fire saying everything is fine.
This crap is not on our coaching staff they are forced to ask too many guys to pay roles they simply aren't capable of doing.
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IMO coaching is neither good or bad but when or if this team ever puts together a winning roster, and I mean a cup contender, they'll need a better coach if they're ever gonna win the cup. I just dont see Bednar being the guy for that
AvsFanInMichigan
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Give Bednar Hughes , Kakko , Makar , Timmins, a serviceable Tyson Jost , and a good goaltender (Francouz) , and a free agent winger. Then I think he will be fine.
Exactly. I believe he is a good coach and players like to play for him, but these two stretches are too bad in general. We need to find a new coach. He is done here.
Give any coach those and they will be good..
Cousin Eddie
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Lol a what now?
AvsFanInMichigan
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AvsFan29
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Highly unlikely we get Hughes and Kakko, or a Jost who isn't a complete bust.
I'm hoping Jost has some trade value as a reclamation project. I don't care if he's 20. He can't play 2c or bottom 6.
AvsFanInMichigan
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Perratrooper
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I think our assistant coaches are a bigger issue, Power play, penalty kill, 3 on 3 and goaltending are what have faltered. Now 3 in 3 is probably Bednar, but special teams and goaltending not so much.
You can give me those dudes and I’ll win multiple cups. He’s literally been carried by Mack’s line to this point. I genuinely disagree that he’s gotten enough out of the roster they have.
Also to the Gabe and Landy thing. I’m not GabeTheBabe for no reason... but y’all knew what I meant lol
