BayStreetBully
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This all depends on Matt doing it again.
Not happening so far.
Doubtful it ever happens again. It’s possible he’s this generation’s Joe Juneau.
This all depends on Matt doing it again.
Not happening so far.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he is on pace for the same amount of pts as last year 15 games in. This is with Barzal facing top competition with JT out of the picture. On the other hand Marner is playing out of this world and far better than his previous year.This all depends on Matt doing it again.
Not happening so far.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he is on pace for the same amount of pts as last year 15 games in. This is with Barzal facing top competition with JT out of the picture. On the other hand Marner is playing out of this world and far better than his previous year.
Barzal has scored 85 pts, Marner has not. This year I think Marner outscores Barzal
Not sure what the argument is? He can get hot again and score 80+ just like last year or he can remain cold because he is not playing a sheltered role.13pts in 15 games is 71pts.
Ah yes. A fluke indeed. The first rookie sine Malkin to get 85 points.Not even close. Marner is the better player by far. Marner continues to skyrocket every year. Barzal appears to be a fluke. He’s scored only 1 goal in the last 7 full months.
Ah yes. A fluke indeed. The first rookie sine Malkin to get 85 points.
Let’s wait and see if Marner can hit a PPG once out of three seasons before labelling the more proven player a fluke.
Or we can wait until Marner has one good season that comes close to a PPG when his best so far is 69 points compared to Barzal’s historic 85 point rookie season. While I don’t think Marner is a ‘fluke’ it’s far more likely that his first 15 games are a fluke than Barzal’s first 97 games where he’s been over a POG.Or you can wait and see if Barzal can have more than one good season before calling him proven. Having only one good season is the very reason why he is a fluke, lol. But signs point to no, since he isn’t sheltered behind Tavares anymore, and it’s hard to score those fluky 5 point games without being sheltered.
Perhaps it’s telling Barzal already seems to be regr swing from his “beginner’s luck” season. The real question is whether this year is going to be a sophomore slump or the beginning of something worse.
Barzal ainec. Lol at Leafs fans voting Marner. Marner cant carry a team like Barzal can. Barzal is better than Matthews let alone Marner and the stats show it. I dont know in what imaginary way u guys are justifying that Marners better other than pure homerism.
5v5 | Pts | P1/60 | Game Score/60 | CF% | GF% | ZSR | TOI QoT | TOI QoC |
Barzal | 6 | 1.84 | 1.01 | 47.6 | 33.29 | 61.86 | 29.81 | 28.97 |
Marner | 13 | 3.43 | 3.42 | 47.7 | 66.6 | 51.74 | 31.77 | 30.07 |
Or we can wait until Marner has one good season that comes close to a PPG when his best so far is 69 points compared to Barzal’s historic 85 point rookie season. While I don’t think Marner is a ‘fluke’ it’s far more likely that his first 15 games are a fluke than Barzal’s first 97 games where he’s been over a POG.
Beginners luck! Lol! You’re cracking me up here.
Two good seasons? Sure. He’s a safe 69 point player. Barzal is better than a PPG since entering the league. A much more proven elite player than Marner who has yet to come even close to PPG.Marner has had two good seasons, consistently trending upward, and is doing it again for a third. He’s about as safe as it gets. He’s also killing Barzal this season. Marner has also scored more than just 1 goal in the last 7 full months. Ouch!
Two good seasons? Sure. He’s a safe 69 point player. Barzal is better than a PPG since entering the league. A much more proven elite player than Marner who has yet to come even close to PPG.
I’ll take the safer guy who had 27% more points last season.
yes, because Marner plays on the ice with JT, Barzal carried his own line last year. Shouldn't be this confusing.Tavares can be used as an excuse for Marner this season but not Barzal last season?
Sure. 15 game sample size! And you tried to argue Barzal’s 98 game sample size was a ‘fluke’!And I’ll take the guy who has 50% more points and 400% more goals this season.
When the Leafs are involved for some reason many can't have a fair and rational discussion.Barzal is probably better but Marner is my favourite player and I think they are neck and neck so I picked him. I wouldn't fault anyone for taking Barzal though, especially since he's a C.
Which stats show it, out of curiosity?
I'm looking at Barzal and Marner's stats for this year and I don't see how one could be considered vastly better than the other.
Am I being a homer still for thinking they are close?[TBODY] [/TBODY]
5v5 Pts P1/60 Game Score/60 CF% GF% ZSR TOI QoT TOI QoC Barzal 6 1.84 1.01 47.6 33.29 61.86 29.81 28.97 Marner 13 3.43 3.42 47.7 66.6 51.74 31.77 30.07
Marner also is our 2nd best penalty killer.
Not sure why I bother to even put this effort in, in 2 days this post will be burried amongst more hyperbole...but it is what it is.
Sure. 15 game sample size! And you tried to argue Barzal’s 98 game sample size was a ‘fluke’!
A 15 game sample size is not what matters. Sorry you’re wrong. Barzal’s been a PPG player since entering the league and he’s close this year. Always go with the proven player. The fact he plays center on a weaker team simply reinforces how great he’s been.The 2018-2019 season is what matters, unless you choose to duck your head in the past.
And yes, Barzal’s season last year was a fluke. Anyone can have one fluky year. They’re called One Year Wonders. Players need to prove themselves with more than one good year. And more importantly, players need to show growth and improvement, some kind of upward trajectory. We’ll see, but it doesn’t look good for Barzal given his start.
A 15 game sample size is not what matters. Sorry you’re wrong.
Agreed.When the Leafs are involved for some reason many can't have a fair and rational discussion.
Marner didn't put up 85 points as a rookie, nor has he ever hit 63 assists in a season nor is he is not in the same league as Barzal as a skater. So yes, Marner is actually not better than Barzal at pretty much everything at this point.
What did I just read?
yes, because Marner plays on the ice with JT, Barzal carried his own line last year. Shouldn't be this confusing.
yes, because Marner plays on the ice with JT, Barzal carried his own line last year. Shouldn't be this confusing.
Before the season started I would have taken Barzal but Marner is playing the best hockey of his career and Barzal is off to a tough start ( ie: -9, not creating offence at even strength, low shot generation, etc...). I have to take Marner now.
Barzal is a better skater than Marner. Barzal's probably top 5 in the league and (even with his tough start) is still pushing the puck up ice at an elite level.