Barzal vs Marner

[Cotton]

The kid from BC obviously? Cmon guys.

You mean the kid with 1 goal in 14 games, who is under ppg. I'll take the younger Ontario kid with 19 points whos also the better all around player.

 

[bert]

centreman all day every day any day.

Watching leaf fans flip flop on this argument from thread to thread is absolutely hilarious.

The recency bias for points compared to last year to this year depending on the players involved also hilarious.

Overall though the behavior is pathetic. If you are going to flip flop on these two arguments because its a leaf player you may as well say im a homer as a disclaimer in the title of your post.

 

[CP4]

You mean the kid with 1 goal in 14 games, who is under ppg. I'll take the younger Ontario kid with 19 points whos also the better all around player.

Ouch you saw my bait and took it. Btw Marner has never scored 70 points and Barzal scored 85 in his first year.

 

[bert]

They played together about 90% on the PP. Considering Barzal had about 32% of his production on the PP, that is a considerable influence by Tavares directly.

Now add the benefit of JT drawing away top competition, while Marner was playing on the shutdown line tasked with going head-to-head against the leagues best in largely a defensive role ES.

Lol a other flip flop argument coming in hot from TML land. There was literally just a thread on the main board arguing that JVR and Bozak were defensive liabilities but now Marner was on the shut down line with them. So which one is it leaf fan? Hahaha man you guys will SAY ANYTHING if you think it can hypothetically benefit a leaf player argument. Dont you see by flipping on every topic it takes away all your credibility.

 

[authentic]

[mod] Marner can't carry a team? Why does he score over a PPG when Matthews is out and in the playoffs? Over 80 points in his last 80 games. If you don't think it's close between them you don't have a clue, I'm sorry.

 

[Holymakinaw]

I take it you don't watch Barzal if you're taking someone for being more electric than him. It's possible McDavid is the only more "electric" player than Barzal.

No, Marner is as well.

 

[Smif]

Lol a other flip flop argument coming in hot from TML land. There was literally just a thread on the main board arguing that JVR and Bozak were defensive liabilities but now Marner was on the shut down line with them. So which one is it leaf fan? Hahaha man you guys will SAY ANYTHING if you think it can hypothetically benefit a leaf player argument. Dont you see by flipping on every topic it takes away all your credibility.

Marner played with JVR & Bozak to start the season last year, then around January of last year was moved to play with Kadri and Marleau on the shutdown line. He also went on to put up 52 points in 48 games since that change.

 

[The Podium]

Lol a other flip flop argument coming in hot from TML land. There was literally just a thread on the main board arguing that JVR and Bozak were defensive liabilities but now Marner was on the shut down line with them. So which one is it leaf fan? Hahaha man you guys will SAY ANYTHING if you think it can hypothetically benefit a leaf player argument. Dont you see by flipping on every topic it takes away all your credibility.

Marner played mostly with Marleau and Kadri

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Lol a other flip flop argument coming in hot from TML land. There was literally just a thread on the main board arguing that JVR and Bozak were defensive liabilities but now Marner was on the shut down line with them. So which one is it leaf fan? Hahaha man you guys will SAY ANYTHING if you think it can hypothetically benefit a leaf player argument. Dont you see by flipping on every topic it takes away all your credibility.

To be fair, Marner played the most (32% of his ice time) with Marleau and Kadri last season. However, I believe his time with JVR and Bozak is close too.

 

[Smif]

Watching leaf fans flip flop on this argument from thread to thread is absolutely hilarious.

The recency bias for points compared to last year to this year depending on the players involved also hilarious.

Overall though the behavior is pathetic. If you are going to flip flop on these two arguments because its a leaf player you may as well say im a homer as a disclaimer in the title of your post.

There are some wingers who are just as important as centers and there's some centers that shouldn't even be playing center. I'm not convinced Barzal is going to stick at center, I see him poyentially being more of a Giroux / Stamkos type C where they can manage but eventually be supplanted when a better option comes along.

Points wise we've been saying all thru the thread. Marner has been doing this consistently since last January and playoffs, it's not just this season. He was also playing a minute less than Barzal per game last season, that's the equivalent of playing an extra 5 games of hockey. This year Mariners TOI is up there where it should be even though a lot of the extra time is PK mins he's still taking advantage and showing Babcock he deserves the bump.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Close. I'll be able to give a better answer by the end of the year.

 

[Strait2thecup]

There are some wingers who are just as important as centers and there's some centers that shouldn't even be playing center. I'm not convinced Barzal is going to stick at center, I see him poyentially being more of a Giroux / Stamkos type C where they can manage but eventually be supplanted when a better option comes along.

Points wise we've been saying all thru the thread. Marner has been doing this consistently since last January and playoffs, it's not just this season. He was also playing a minute less than Barzal per game last season, that's the equivalent of playing an extra 5 games of hockey. This year Mariners TOI is up there where it should be even though a lot of the extra time is PK mins he's still taking advantage and showing Babcock he deserves the bump.

Barzal will never not be a center. Didn’t even read the rest of your post because it’s blantantly obvious you have not a clue of what you’re talking about

 

[ACC1224]

It's close but Marner is pretty much better at everything.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

It's close but Marner is pretty much better at everything.

Marner didn't put up 85 points as a rookie, nor has he ever hit 63 assists in a season nor is he is not in the same league as Barzal as a skater. So yes, Marner is actually not better than Barzal at pretty much everything at this point.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Barzal is more proven at this point. Marner needs to put up a PPG for a full season before he’s in the conversation. He’s off to a very good start this year though.

 

[NiL8r87]

Barzal is more proven at this point. Marner needs to put up a PPG for a full season before he’s in the conversation. He’s off to a very good start this year though.

Pretty much exactly how I feel.

 

[Smif]

Barzal will never not be a center. Didn’t even read the rest of your post because it’s blantantly obvious you have not a clue of what you’re talking about

If Barzal was in Toronto, he would not be playing center. He'd be Nylander 2.0. Its just straight up circumstances.

 

[NiL8r87]

If Barzal was in Toronto, he would not be playing center. He'd be Nylander 2.0. Its just straight up circumstances.

If Barzal was in Toronto, he would be playing Center and they'd never have signed Tavares.

 

[Smif]

If Barzal was in Toronto, he would be playing Center and they'd never have signed Tavares.

If Barzal was in Toronto he would've played on the wing last year, 100%. He also would've played around 15 mins TOI per game and he wouldn't have scored a point per game. Do you know who coaches the TML?

 

[Strait2thecup]

If Barzal was in Toronto, he would not be playing center. He'd be Nylander 2.0. Its just straight up circumstances.

They’re nothing alike and you’re straight up wrong

 

[lawrence]

Watching leaf fans flip flop on this argument from thread to thread is absolutely hilarious.

The recency bias for points compared to last year to this year depending on the players involved also hilarious.

Overall though the behavior is pathetic. If you are going to flip flop on these two arguments because its a leaf player you may as well say im a homer as a disclaimer in the title of your post.

I have yet to even deploy the “small sample size” bull shit as leafs fans often use when a hot player is on a streak in a short amount of games. It’s painfully obvious right now marner has better players to work with in comparison to barzal. I’m not even gonna go there but really even if marner was not a lead I still go with barzal.

 

[typicalsavage]

Ouch you saw my bait and took it. Btw Marner has never scored 70 points and Barzal scored 85 in his first year.

Marner scored 16 less points while being a much better all around player. Marner may be the winger but he plays like a centre. If you take the last 62 games of 2017-18, Marner had 56 points and Barzal had 63 and that was with the Isles run and gun offence while Marner was being coached to be defensive. This year Marner has been better and looks like he could go ppg for a long time.

 

[typicalsavage]

They’re nothing alike and you’re straight up wrong

Barzal would've played wing so yeah they are similar circumstances. Youre in the wrong here seeing as how you couldn't even comprehend what the poster said. On top of him being on the wing he wouldn't have been playing the run and gun offence the Isles had as well as less ice time.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Ouch you saw my bait and took it. Btw Marner has never scored 70 points and Barzal scored 85 in his first year.

Care to place an avatar bet that he won’t this season? Bet you won’t....

 

[Stamkos4life]

Lol a other flip flop argument coming in hot from TML land. There was literally just a thread on the main board arguing that JVR and Bozak were defensive liabilities but now Marner was on the shut down line with them. So which one is it leaf fan? Hahaha man you guys will SAY ANYTHING if you think it can hypothetically benefit a leaf player argument. Dont you see by flipping on every topic it takes away all your credibility.

Rofl you are so out to lunch bert.

Marner played the most of his minutes with kadri on the shut down line.

You're literally getting things mixed up and then claiming we're "flip flopping" our arguments.

Try to think things through and do some research [mod]