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Barrie vs Brodie
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Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
I normally argue in favour of offensive dmen in these cases, but there is always a give and take and Barrie's "give" was painful to stomach on the Leafs. The guy was good on lower pairing, but he got burried against good comp in HDCF%.
Looks like with Edmonton, the give and take equation is worthwhile. It wasn't in Toronto.
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I normally argue in favour of offensive dmen in these cases, but there is always a give and take and Barrie's "give" was painful to stomach on the Leafs. The guy was good on lower pairing, but he got burried against good comp in HDCF%.
Looks like with Edmonton, the give and take equation is worthwhile. It wasn't in Toronto.
Also worth noting that Barrie has 18 points compared to Brodie’s 5 points.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
I think that gap is larger statistically than it is in talent. Slap Brodie on our Powerplay for 3-4 mins a game and I have a feeling the number would be quite a bit closer.
His 5v5 production has been a bit disappointing, though. Can't complain when he's defending so well. I believe the fact that he defers to Rielly for zone exits might affect his points too. He will never catch up in goals, though - Barrie is several tiers above when it comes to their shot.
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Is it though? Last year was Barries worst year and he still paced for Brodies peak offensively. Like offensively it isn't even close between the two really.
I wonder if both teams are more than happy with what each guy brings to their respective teams?
I'd imagine so.
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I’m not saying they aren’t. I just think it’s disingenuous to say Brodie would be a similar player offensively if he was on the PP.
Oh I agree, he absolutely would not. Barrie is a guy Edmonton needed, and the kind of dman Toronto absolutely didn't.
It's a strange poll. It's like Yandle vs Morrissey or someone like that.
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I'd say Barrie's kind of expected to play the McDonagh role in Tampa. A guy who put up points on his previous team, but is leaned on more for his defense/transition game on his new team behind other offensive guys (in Tampa, Hedman and Sergachev).
Connor McConnor
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The gap in points between Barrie and Brodie has been apparent their whole careers. At this point it does speak to their talent, Barrie is MUCH better offensively and nobody should deny that. If we want to debate the difference between Barrie's offence and Brodie's defense that is subjective. Both teams are happy with the change, let's move on.
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Staple Barrie next to a good defensive partner and you're in for a good time. As we're seeing in Edmonton.
This isn't a comparison, Barrie will always be a net liability.
Michael HOMERUNing
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Namikaze Minato
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Michael Hutchinson's stats
With Toronto Pre Barrie:
GP 5 W 2 GA 13 GAA 2.64 SV% .914 SO 1
Toronto With Barrie
GP 15 W 4 GA 48 GAA 3.66 SV% .886 SO 1
Toronto Post Barrie
GP 4 W 3 GA 7 GAA 1.76 SV% .943 SO 1
Coincidence!?!
Probably, yes.
With Toronto Pre Barrie:
GP 5 W 2 GA 13 GAA 2.64 SV% .914 SO 1
Toronto With Barrie
GP 15 W 4 GA 48 GAA 3.66 SV% .886 SO 1
Toronto Post Barrie
GP 4 W 3 GA 7 GAA 1.76 SV% .943 SO 1
Coincidence!?!
Probably, yes.
Sidney the Kidney
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Yeah. Not sure why I posted Barrie considering I quoted someone talking about Brodie.
I love playing against Tyson Barrie, the offense flows so easily. Unforced turnovers, losing battles, always out of position, love to see it. Brodie absolutely locked McDavid down back to back games, love it. Not many players can say that. The importance of solid defending, Barrie is a massive liability and always will be, you can't win with him in your top 4.
That’s wild that the only thing that changed on the team that whole time was Barrie.
These last 2 games showed why Brodie is far superior. Just shut down the opposition completely. He was fantastic.
Michael HOMERUNing
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A defensemen who's capable of shutting McDavid down in back to back games with fantastic puck moving abilities or a glorified rover who's a net negative on the ice?
What a hard choice.
What a hard choice.
Mobiandi
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Color me shocked that the league slept on Brodie until he went to a bigger market. He's one of the best Dmen in the league
He do recall him getting quite a bit of acclaim in Calgary just not last year. Dubas really wanted him for Kadri.
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