Around Hockey XXI (All Non-Jackets Hockey talk in here)

[DarkandStormy]

I mean, G-d forbid we not dwell endlessly on folks that aren't here anymore.

This is the most sorry and excessive case of jealous ex lover syndrome I've ever seen from a fanbase. And I went through the LeBron-Cavs-Miami era.

Ah, there's the goal post move. An entire thread dedicated to former Jackets was deemed "too much." So the 1/4 season stats were posted in Around Hockey, as directed. Now we're told not to dwell on those players at all. Note: I didn't limit the stats to just the Big 3.

Amazing gatekeeping happening, though.

 

[Viqsi]

Ah, there's the goal post move. An entire thread dedicated to former Jackets was deemed "too much." So the 1/4 season stats were posted in Around Hockey, as directed. Now we're told not to dwell on those players at all. Note: I didn't limit the stats to just the Big 3.

Amazing gatekeeping happening, though.

People saying they're sick of a particular topic continuing to get playtime constitutes "gatekeeping" now?

You're not being told that you're breaking a rule or anything like that. There's no imposed censorship in play. Just that the folks who are speaking up are those who are tired of hearing about it. Are we now not allowed to speak up when we feel a conversation topic becomes tiresome and repetitive? Does that constitute gatekeeping?

 

[majormajor]

I actually appreciated seeing DarkandStormy's "ex-Jackets digest" today. If it's like that - a post every couple weeks or so where it quickly recaps things for a dozen ex-Jackets, I think that's great. I like reading about them. I root for those guys. FWIW I've also complained about the jilted lover posts but I didn't get that vibe this time.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I actually appreciated seeing DarkandStormy's "ex-Jackets digest" today. If it's like that - a post every couple weeks or so where it quickly recaps things for a dozen ex-Jackets, I think that's great. I like reading about them. I root for those guys. FWIW I've also complained about the jilted lover posts but I didn't get that vibe this time.

not trying to imply he’s one of them. I don’t get that vibe either. But it is a topic I am tired of.

 

[Theo Von]

An update from the old ex-Jackets Thread:

Ian Cole: 0-7-7, +8 in 15 games with Colorado. Starting a whopping 71% of non-on-the-fly starts in the defensive zone, leading to slightly negative possession numbers (though still positive relative to his teammates).
Matt Calvert: 4-8-12, +5 in 20 games with Colorado. On pace for career-highs across the board (including PIM) if he plays a full 82. Positive possession player. Took puck to the head this weekend.
Sergei Bobrovsky: 7-4-4, .882 sv%, 3.53 GAA, 1 SO, -11.69 GSAA (depending on which site you trust) -> still on pace for his worst season if it continues this way
Matt Duchene: 5-11-16 in 18 games for Nashville, -3 bringing his career +/- to a whopping -89, very high possession player for the Preds so far (best possession #s of career if they hold)
Ryan Dzingel: 4-10-14, +7 in 20 games for Carolina, would be first time in career as a positive possession player if it holds. Had cooled off for awhile with an 0-3-3 stretch over 7 games, but has 1-2-3 in the 3 games since then.
Anthony Duclair: 7-3-10, -3 in 20 games for Ottawa, averaging career-high 16:09 TOI. His 7 goals would tie him with PLD for the team lead in Columbus and is as many as Atkinson, Nyquist, and Foligno combined.
Ryan Johansen: 2-12-14, -2 in 19 games for Nashville, negative (relative to teammates) possession player. On pace for lowest goal total of his career. Shots/game are also at his lowest pace since his rookie season.
Artemi Panarin: 9-14-23, +9 in 18 games for the Rangers, a slightly negative possession player on a really bad team so his CF% rel is pretty high. Getting lowest oZone starts of his career, but is averaging career highs in goals & assists (and thus, points) per game so far.
Jack Johnson: 1-3-4, +5 in 19 games for Pittsburgh, averaging career low TOI, and, you may be shocked, still putting up really bad possession numbers. His .21 points/game is his highest points/game pace since leaving Columbus.
Curis McElhinney: 2-1-2, .906 sv%, 3.76 GAA in 5 starts for Tampa Bay. -.34 GSAA -> would be his worst season since the '15-'16 disaster season in Columbus.
Brandon Saad: 6-6-12, even in 20 games for Chicago, averaging career-low TOI (16:27/game), still a high possession player.

Let me know if there are any other requests.​

these updates are so awesome. I look forward to these. thank you!

 

[Dumais]

If you tell people to STFU even when they are wrong, it will only make them scream louder or find other ways (different threads/off-topic comments) to express themselves. It's one of the more admirable qualities among our species; it makes us unique and authentic. I personally dont really care how ex-jacket players are doing, but I may change my mind on that in the future.

 

[EspenK]

The only ex-Jackets I want to hear about are Wennberg and Foligno.

 

[cslebn]

I've been enjoying the Calgary flames do far this year and their propensity for line brawls somehow with Giordano and Tkachuk always involved.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I've been enjoying the Calgary flames do far this year and their propensity for line brawls somehow with Giordano and Tkachuk always involved.

Tkachuk? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

 

[MoeBartoli]

An update from the old ex-Jackets Thread:

Ian Cole: 0-7-7, +8 in 15 games with Colorado. Starting a whopping 71% of non-on-the-fly starts in the defensive zone, leading to slightly negative possession numbers (though still positive relative to his teammates).
Matt Calvert: 4-8-12, +5 in 20 games with Colorado. On pace for career-highs across the board (including PIM) if he plays a full 82. Positive possession player. Took puck to the head this weekend.
Sergei Bobrovsky: 7-4-4, .882 sv%, 3.53 GAA, 1 SO, -11.69 GSAA (depending on which site you trust) -> still on pace for his worst season if it continues this way
Matt Duchene: 5-11-16 in 18 games for Nashville, -3 bringing his career +/- to a whopping -89, very high possession player for the Preds so far (best possession #s of career if they hold)
Ryan Dzingel: 4-10-14, +7 in 20 games for Carolina, would be first time in career as a positive possession player if it holds. Had cooled off for awhile with an 0-3-3 stretch over 7 games, but has 1-2-3 in the 3 games since then.
Anthony Duclair: 7-3-10, -3 in 20 games for Ottawa, averaging career-high 16:09 TOI. His 7 goals would tie him with PLD for the team lead in Columbus and is as many as Atkinson, Nyquist, and Foligno combined.
Ryan Johansen: 2-12-14, -2 in 19 games for Nashville, negative (relative to teammates) possession player. On pace for lowest goal total of his career. Shots/game are also at his lowest pace since his rookie season.
Artemi Panarin: 9-14-23, +9 in 18 games for the Rangers, a slightly negative possession player on a really bad team so his CF% rel is pretty high. Getting lowest oZone starts of his career, but is averaging career highs in goals & assists (and thus, points) per game so far.
Jack Johnson: 1-3-4, +5 in 19 games for Pittsburgh, averaging career low TOI, and, you may be shocked, still putting up really bad possession numbers. His .21 points/game is his highest points/game pace since leaving Columbus.
Curis McElhinney: 2-1-2, .906 sv%, 3.76 GAA in 5 starts for Tampa Bay. -.34 GSAA -> would be his worst season since the '15-'16 disaster season in Columbus.
Brandon Saad: 6-6-12, even in 20 games for Chicago, averaging career-low TOI (16:27/game), still a high possession player.

Let me know if there are any other requests.​

Looks to me like the makings of a roster that’d beat our current roster.

.....more seriously, I enjoyed seeing the recap on guys who once donned the Union Blue.

 

[cslebn]

Tkachuk? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

I was more shocked at Gio's ability to fly (Doughty brawl). Didn't think he was that agile.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Looks to me like the makings of a roster that’d beat our current roster.

.....more seriously, I enjoyed seeing the recap on guys who once donned the Union Blue.

Ha! The defense would be suspect. I'm trying to think of who else is out there on the blue line and some have retired recently...Beauchemin, is Justin Falk still around, Tyutin, Methot. I limited it basically to the Torts era, but others still around include Anton Stralman, Kris Russell, Dalton Prout (technically the Torts era but he's on IR), John Moore, Nick Holden, Cody Goloubef, and Ron Hainsey. I just don't know how far back is actually interesting to people.

 

[majormajor]

Ha! The defense would be suspect. I'm trying to think of who else is out there on the blue line and some have retired recently...Beauchemin, is Justin Falk still around, Tyutin, Methot. I limited it basically to the Torts era, but others still around include Anton Stralman, Kris Russell, Dalton Prout (technically the Torts era but he's on IR), John Moore, Nick Holden, Cody Goloubef, and Ron Hainsey. I just don't know how far back is actually interesting to people.

Just speaking for myself, Stralman was just a stopover here. Kris Russell is interesting to me. He was definitely a Blue Jackets product that has played a semi-valuable role now for a long time. We thought he'd be a smooth puckmover type but he's instead evolved into a puck-eater, with weaker puck skills than most. But since he's become that player you won't hear anything new about his game. Same with Prout, he's not going to do anything new. Hainsey oddly enough has been the most interesting guy. He'll be 39 later this year but you wouldn't know it from watching him in Ottawa this year.

 

[koteka]

Let me know if there are any other requests.​

Voracek and Karlsson?

I think an update every couple of weeks is interesting.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Voracek and Karlsson?

I think an update every couple of weeks is interesting.

Ah good calls. I'll try to rotate them in. Yeah, I was thinking periodic check ins on guys we used to root for.

 

[koteka]

To everyone who wants to trade our 22 year old defenseman who was picked 8th overall, look at 25 year old former 9th overall defenseman Dougie Hamilton’s stats this season. Everyone is talking about John Carlson (35 points in 23 games) or rookie Cale Makar who has 22 points, but the twice traded Dougie Hamilton is having a hell of a season so far. 22 points and +11.

 

[majormajor]

To everyone who wants to trade our 22 year old defenseman who was picked 8th overall, look at 25 year old former 9th overall defenseman Dougie Hamilton’s stats this season. Everyone is talking about John Carlson (35 points in 23 games) or rookie Cale Makar who has 22 points, but the twice traded Dougie Hamilton is having a hell of a season so far. 22 points and +11.

Yep. D-men usually take longer to put it all together.

John Carlson is another case in point. He wasn't anything special at 22. Dougie Hamilton was.... divisive, we'll say, at 22.

That also puts Cale Makar's performance in perspective. I think this kid is Norris nominee quality this year and probably in the Hart Trophy conversation in coming years. I'm admittedly biased with him, I watched him here at UMass, but watch Makar play and tell me I'm wrong about him.

 

[Viqsi]

A potentially interesting read on the Leafs and Lightning considering how they seem to be suffering about as much as we are at the moment:
Bourne: In trying to be ahead of the curve, did the Lightning (and Leafs) head too far down the skill road?

Imagine if 15 years ago an NBA team came to believe that 3-point shooting was more valuable than the rest of the league realized – they’d have been right – so they built a 15-man roster of strictly 3-point specialists, regardless of their height, defensive abilities or other attributes. They’d have found themselves making a ton of 3s, and that would’ve provided them with a nice advantage on many nights. But boy, that singular focus may have cost them on the glass when their shooting was off, they may have been unable to get stops at the other end, and while they may have won a lot of games, their more perimeter group may not have been able to hang in physical playoff contests against more well-rounded opponents.

You probably felt me straying from the basketball analogy a little bit toward the end there, which is where we loop it back to the Tampa Bay Lightning, and yes, the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[MAHJ71]

A potentially interesting read on the Leafs and Lightning considering how they seem to be suffering about as much as we are at the moment:
Bourne: In trying to be ahead of the curve, did the Lightning (and Leafs) head too far down the skill road?

I choose to believe TB is still shellshocked from the broom beating we gave them last year

 

[Fred Glover]

Mike Babcock has been fired

 

[EspenK]

Maple Leafs fire head coach Mike Babcock following team's slow start

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Fleury save did him in.

 

[ViD]

We were fortunate to witness two years of a player like Panarin wearing the Jackets uniform. Truly a game changer

 

[thebus88]

To everyone who wants to trade our 22 year old defenseman who was picked 8th overall, look at 25 year old former 9th overall defenseman Dougie Hamilton’s stats this season. Everyone is talking about John Carlson (35 points in 23 games) or rookie Cale Makar who has 22 points, but the twice traded Dougie Hamilton is having a hell of a season so far. 22 points and +11.

Who do those people want to trade Werenski for and what will his numbers probably look like in 2022??

 

[DarkandStormy]

Friedman (latest 31 Thoughts) says Pool Party is likely to spend the year in Finland. I won't repost the draft thread here because that's been revisited enough, but just another reminder that I think Jarmo knew what he was doing in 2016.