Speculation: Acq./Rost. Bldg./Cap Part XLVIII

[CapsYeti12]

My opinion on possible acquiring top6 RW is that if Caps want to acquire someone like Kessel, Sharp, Oshie, Vrbata or Okposo, they would have to give up 1st round pick or top prospect (Bowey, Burakovsky, Vrána) or both. But I don't want to see it.

My best proposal from Capitals, which I would be willing to give up is something like this..

Brouwer/Johansson + B-prospect (Carrick/Barber/Galiev) + 3rd round pick (#62 overall)

..but what would Caps get for this proposal..I don't know

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Except Semin won't alleviate the talent woes.

He is easily the most talented player in a Caps jersey the past 10 years not named Ovechkin, what are you talking about ?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

My opinion on possible acquiring top6 RW is that if Caps want to acquire someone like Kessel, Sharp, Oshie, Vrbata or Okposo, they would have to give up 1st round pick or top prospect (Bowey, Burakovsky, Vrána) or both. But I don't want to see it.

My best proposal from Capitals, which I would be willing to give up is something like this..

Brouwer/Johansson + B-prospect (Carrick/Barber/Galiev) + 3rd round pick (#62 overall)

..but what would Caps get for this proposal..I don't know

Realistic, but like you said what would we get and does it help in the immediate as well as long term future. We need to get away from strictly short term quick fix trades.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

So what hockey trades are out there to make...in terms of teams looking to move players just to move them?

I keep looking at Edmonton and someone like Purcell. Not ideal...but might not cost much to get him. Maybe get them to add Hendricks...I'd love to get him back.

Would the Wild move Niederreiter?

I'd pay good assets to get back both Gordon and Hendricks. Much better/cheaper options than our other bottom six rubbish -Fehr, Laich, Beagle.

If Niederreiter moves I'd be shocked. I'd be tempted by Coyle and a much lesser extent Vanek.

 

[Capitlols]

There are plenty of ways people can bash Semin. Claiming he isn't talented is not one of them.

Not claiming he's not talented, I'm saying he isn't what he used to be, clearly, and it won't solve any issues for this team.

He is easily the most talented player in a Caps jersey the past 10 years not named Ovechkin, what are you talking about ?

My goodness, have people not watched Semin the past couple of years? The healthy scratches, lackadaisical effort, and injury-plagued past couple of years?

 

[Hivemind]

Bill Peters and a wrist injury don't make Semin washed up.

 

[Capitlols]

Bill Peters and a wrist injury don't make Semin washed up.

It kind of reminds me of the Green supporters. After seeing the same crap year after year people still want to give him chances. This is exactly what's been wrong with the franchise.

 

[g00n]

It kind of reminds me of the Green supporters. After seeing the same crap year after year people still want to give him chances. This is exactly what's been wrong with the franchise.

Or, on the flip side, the people who saw Ovechkin only getting worse and worse under three different coaches with rumors of mysterious injuries or conditioning issues. How many of them would've thought he could've raised his totals and adopted the 2-way game?

Hard to say. It's what make enigmatic talents so seductive as targets for GMs.

 

[Blades of Steel]

Alex Prewitt @alex_prewitt
.@CraigCustance ranked the top 20 pending UFAs. Green is No. 2, Ward at No. 13. http://t.co/u6q8QuxhBn

 

[Raikkonen]

Orlov said today there were 2 factors in his long rehab:

1) he had similar injury to that wrist 10 years ago
2) he got infection while screws were removed

He said he's healed 100% around time he played in Hershey. Nothing bothered him at the time. The most difficult thing was the mental aspect all the way.

Ready to compete for the roster spot. Called the situation "hockey life", that injury could occur at any tournament, and he already forgot about last season.

 

[Raikkonen]

So what hockey trades are out there to make...in terms of teams looking to move players just to move them?

I keep looking at Edmonton and someone like Purcell. Not ideal...but might not cost much to get him. Maybe get them to add Hendricks...I'd love to get him back.

Our center depth sucks. I could foresee some trade for 3C capable of playing top-6 in a pinch. Like Kelly.

Gordon is kinda 3C/4C but we still have Bura.

Ideally I would like to see Fehr moved to RW and another 3C in the fold. So both could play C if required.

 

[Hivemind]

Alex Prewitt @alex_prewitt
.@CraigCustance ranked the top 20 pending UFAs. Green is No. 2, Ward at No. 13. http://t.co/u6q8QuxhBn

Devan Dubnyk as #1?

 

[Capitlols]

Or, on the flip side, the people who saw Ovechkin only getting worse and worse under three different coaches with rumors of mysterious injuries or conditioning issues. How many of them would've thought he could've raised his totals and adopted the 2-way game?

Hard to say. It's what make enigmatic talents so seductive as targets for GMs.

And I don't think there's a GM out there that is seduced by Semin. There was even talk that Carolina would have to package their lottery pick just so someone could take him off their hands. Even at his lowest, Ovechkin would of commanded a high ransom.

I don't know about you, but after watching 7+ years of Semin we should know exactly what he is.

 

[Hivemind]

I don't know about you, but after watching 7+ years of Semin we should know exactly what he is.

We do, which is why I'm not putting nearly as much faith in one injury-riddled season under Bill Peters as you are.

 

[Langway]

There are bottom six center options in free agency if need be: Horcoff, Cullen, Jokinen, Brodziak, Campbell, Letestu, Slater, Goc, etc. I'm not sure I'd like both Fehr and Beagle back as their bottom six centers. Ideally you'd like some more playmaking ability and shiftiness/agility somewhere in there.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Bill Peters and a wrist injury don't make Semin washed up.

His contract does. He didn't give a crap 4 years ago with his diving production and his phantom injuries. Imagine him with his payday fixed. And for all the Bill Peters deflections, how again did Trotz and Radulov mesh?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

There are bottom six center options in free agency if need be: Horcoff, Cullen, Jokinen, Brodziak, Campbell, Letestu, Slater, Goc, etc. I'm not sure I'd like both Fehr and Beagle back as their bottom six centers. Ideally you'd like some more playmaking ability and shiftiness/agility somewhere in there.

Jokinen is old and full of himself. He barely has any playoff experience and at this point would be a horrible signing.

Cullen is considering retirement... so that tell yous right off the top to steer clear.

Letestu & Campbell are the best two options of those listed.

 

[Hivemind]

There are bottom six center options in free agency if need be: Horcoff, Cullen, Jokinen, Brodziak, Campbell, Letestu, Slater, Goc, etc. I'm not sure I'd like both Fehr and Beagle back as their bottom six centers. Ideally you'd like some more playmaking ability and shiftiness/agility somewhere in there.

None of those are very appealing as 3rd liners, at this point. Horcoff, Cullen, and Jokinen are ancient and ranged from mediocre to awful last year. Goc, Campbell, Letestu, and Slater don't have much in terms of offensive games at all, and are all basically career 4th liners. Maybe Brodziak could be useful, but that's holding out that he can regain his past form.

I agree that Fehr and Beagle is pretty underwhelming center depth, but unlike last year, the market is pretty darn crappy for centers this off-season.

 

[Hivemind]

His contract does. He didn't give a crap 4 years ago with his diving production and his phantom injuries. Imagine him with his payday fixed. And for all the Bill Peters deflections, how again did Trotz and Radulov mesh?

Wasn't it reported that Semin was the one pushing for one-year contracts in Washington? He still had a pretty solid first year after signing his extension in Carolina as well. It's not as if his production took a nosedive after he signed the contract. it took as nosedive after he suffered a wrist injury and Bill Peters was brought in.

How did Semin and Hunter mix?
How will Trotz and Kuznetsov mix going forwards?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Wasn't it reported that Semin was the one pushing for one-year contracts in Washington? He still had a pretty solid first year after signing his extension in Carolina as well. It's not as if his production took a nosedive after he signed the contract. it took as nosedive after he suffered a wrist injury and Bill Peters was brought in.

How did Semin and Hunter mix?
How will Trotz and Kuznetsov mix going forwards?

Probably better then the first 2. Considering in that late 1st round and into the 2nd, Kuzy played a lot of hockey was one of our more creative players getting offensive opportunities.

 

[Hivemind]

Probably better then the first 2. Considering in that late 1st round and into the 2nd, Kuzy played a lot of hockey was one of our more creative players getting offensive opportunities.

My point was to dismiss fearmongering based on nationality/perceived "enigma"-ness. I was demonstrating the incongruity between claiming Semin and Trotz won't mix with the boards perceptions of our own creative, east-west playmaker.

 

[Capitlols]

We do, which is why I'm not putting nearly as much faith in one injury-riddled season under Bill Peters as you are.

You remembering only the good?

 

[Langway]

I agree that Fehr and Beagle is pretty underwhelming center depth, but unlike last year, the market is pretty darn crappy for centers this off-season.

I still don't get how you come to that conclusion given the severe restrictions the majority of that class had from Kesler to Spezza to Stastny. Perreault and Grabovski don't make it a strong class. Ribeiro is once again much the same as an option as Grabovski. Brad Richards is available again (left out due to cost most likely).

Soderberg is another but likewise too costly. I suppose Tikhonov might be able to cut it as a 3C depending on usage. Derek Roy could maybe be another option, although he'd fail the size test.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Bill Peters and a wrist injury don't make Semin washed up.

A wrist injury on a guy on the wrong side of 30 who is absolutely dependent on his wrists to produce? I'd say that's leaning pretty heavily towards "washed up".

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

My point was to dismiss fearmongering based on nationality/perceived "enigma"-ness. I was demonstrating the incongruity between claiming Semin and Trotz won't mix with the boards perceptions of our own creative, east-west playmaker.

Kuznetsov is a pro-veteran who accepted being shifted to a new position and earning his icetime starting on the fourth line. He was a model citizen the entire time who gave consistent effort and commented regularly in the press.

Semin would have been a disaster through that and faked several injuries along the way.

Who's the one making nationality assumptions?