Post-Game Talk: #57 FLYERS 5 at Wild 4, Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2019, 8:00 pm ET

[GapToothedWonder]

Bailey looked alright. He helped the first goal, made a few nice hits.

Although, u can tell he was new to the system. Hence why Myers is out.

Although I can’t wait till he plays

Bailey has never in his life played in Gordon's system

Myers has over 90 games playing in his system

 

[pit]

I'm making a Celebration thread the moment Farmer is off the team.

A thread feels insufficient. Perhaps a website. A monument? Something that really commemorates how big it is that he is gone.

Something comparable to the Great Wall of China, but maybe a little bigger?

 

[kudymen]

That game tying goal by captain Giroux

 

[deadhead]

Thoughts:

Ghost just isn't that good, yes, he needs a better RHD, but at 5x5 he's at best a second pair guy and may end up on the third pair, like Streit in Montreal when he scored 62 points, his value is primarily on the PP and good to see him get his mojo back. He simply isn't the same skater he was as a rookie, and will probably never be, and the league has learned to pressure him. He's no longer feared in the open ice. Pair him with say Myers and he'd be better, but the fact that he needs a partner to take the pressure off says it all.

Gudas/Hagg remains an awful pair, Gudas can't skate and needs a mobile partner.

Provorov on the other hand has taken it to the next level since the All Star break, 30 minutes and he was flying out there, he's starting to trust his skating ability and is taking over game like a true #1. Still some rough edges, but he just turned 22.

Sanheim was up and down as usual, but nice to see him win a key board battle in the 3rd period, that to me is more important than his rush, we know he can skate, but he has to be good enough in the D-zone to justify 20 minutes a night.

Patrick also has taken his skating to a new gear, wonder if he was dinged up and the break gave him a chance to heal, because he looks like the second fastest Flyer out there, tied with Sanheim and just behind TK, with a lot more moves than TK. But he needs some real forwards, Simmonds continues to handle the puck like a live grenade and Laughton is a great fit on the 4th line.

JVR is also a 5x5 liability, but like Ghost, is a top PP specialist.

Voracek has to stay with Couts, he's a totally different player with Couts than with anyone else.
TK on the other hand, has to get away from Giroux at center, paired with Giroux he's been a liability.

Stolarz didn't have a great game, the 1st goal was 5 on 3, the 3rd goal was stoppable, the 4th goal was a perfect shot that's almost impossible to defend - though he's not as quick as Hart moving from post to post, but that's asking a bit much of your backup goalie. Made the big saves when it mattered, and that's really all you can ask. Flyers were outskated and outchanced by Minnesota, understandable given the previous game, but also a pattern that's gone on since Gordon took over.

Nobody could have won with goalies with a .880 S%, just look at Q when Crawford went down, look at St Louis before and after they promoted that goalie from the AHL. Bad goalies murder franchises. Good goalies save them.

 

[deadhead]

Ghost continues to make uniquely Gostisebeherian good plays in just about every game he plays, and rarely gets credit for them. He's still better than Provorov, and Provorov has started to play well.

In what universe? At least at even strength (Provorov should be used as a forward on the PP, he shoots better than half our forwards anyway).

Provorov is faster than Ghost these days, much stronger, much better conditioned, and smarter on defense.
He still makes too many turnovers (but not on a per minute basis) but also makes a lot of subtle defensive plays to seal players and strip the puck.

And Ghost is almost 4 years older than Provorov.

 

[baudib1]

The ones in which Ghost is better at hockey than Provorov, which is all of them.

 

[Larry44]

Another facet of the Gostisbehere struggles is that it highlights the need for the team to work on new breakout strategies rather than have the defensemen try to fling 40' passes to stationary forwards. Short passes to teammates with speed is used to effect by the majority of strong teams. I know that the hit-the-scoreboard method of zone clears was a major knock against Gordon as the Phantoms coach.

THANK YOU. Almost all the turnovers and icings committed by the D involve them looking up ice and seeing no friendly faces anywhere close. Then we cuss out the D.

 

[Rebels57]

THANK YOU. Almost all the turnovers and icings committed by the D involve them looking up ice and seeing no friendly faces anywhere close. Then we cuss out the D.

That's Gordor hockey for sure.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hopefully Fletcher doesn't decide to make Gordon full-time.

 

[Chinatown88]

Freaking Shrek is a Na'vi fan. f*** me.

 

[Beef Invictus]

THANK YOU. Almost all the turnovers and icings committed by the D involve them looking up ice and seeing no friendly faces anywhere close. Then we cuss out the D.

In the case of MacDonald I feel safe doing it because he routinely iced the puck even with a better transition. It's a good bet he'd be flinging it to the other end no matter what.

 

[Rich Nixon]

36, brah.

Split it down to five 5-game stretches. To get to 94 points, they have to go 3-1-1 in each, and better in a few of them for more (5-0-0 in one would be very helpful). Doable? Yez. Tough? Hell yez.

 

[Amorgus]

Freaking Shrek is a Na'vi fan. **** me.

You mean he likes the movie Avatar? Another reason to hate him.

 

[Chinatown88]

You mean he likes the movie Avatar? Another reason to hate him.

Nah. It's an eSports organization located in Ukraine. They have teams in Counter Strike, DotA 2, Fortnite and etc. Lots of CIS/Russian fans.

 

[Amorgus]

Nah. It's an eSports organization located in Ukraine. They have teams in Counter Strike, DotA 2, Fortnite and etc. Lots of CIS/Russian fans.

Awww, I thought he had a fetish for blue catladies that we could extra-mock him for. Then again, that could be Cap's fetish too so I better not kinkshame.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Split it down to five 5-game stretches. To get to 94 points, they have to go 3-1-1 in each, and better in a few of them for more (5-0-0 in one would be very helpful). Doable? Yez. Tough? Hell yez.

they need a rachel phelps cut out, in the locker room with hakstols face. sporting tear off pizza pieces and saying, you guys stink.

 

[Rebels57]

they need a rachel phelps cut out, in the locker room with hakstols face. sporting tear off pizza pieces and saying, you guys stink.

This is the best idea I have ever heard.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

A dman like Ghost has been this season is on a bad contract.

Keep grinding and putting in the work, bud.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Here’s the thing on that: if he doesn’t figure it out, and you’re wrong, you have Marc-Andre Bergeron on a bad contract instead. It’s a sell-low asset right now, but the real question lies in risk-aversion. He’s not playing for the regime that watched him put up 65 points after he went on record essentially saying he tuned out the coach. It’s one that’s seen gains made by other players while he makes mistakes that would’ve forced Matt Carle into witness protection.

I don't see a lot of risk involved with carrying him. 4.5M is a pretty reasonable cap hit even if he isn't playing his best. Also his salary past next year is like 3M so it wouldn't be hard to send him to a low cap team looking for a cheap reclamation project if his production stays down. Plus there will be another buy out on the way, plus he could be exposed at the expansion draft if need be.

I don't think any of that will happen or be necessary but I doubt he drops off so badly in the middle of his prime that a 4.5M cap hit becomes some unmovable anchor.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Keep grinding and putting in the work, bud.

They’ve gotten better 5 on 5 production from 1.15M Hagg.

Does that sound like Ghost’s $4.5M was such a steal for this season?

Hasn’t made up for it on the PP, either (32nd among defensemen in PP pts/60 among D with at least 98 mins on the PP). And that’s supposed to be his specialty.

Doesn’t seem like a player who should be untouchable to me.

 

[Striiker]

Ghost was probably the best player on the team on Monday, and then he has a horrendous first period. But he recovers with 2 great shots that look like old Ghost on the PP. He has 3 assists in the past two games.

I've never seen a defensemen who is so easily vilified for his mistakes. Every defensemen makes them, very few top guys get benched for 1/2 his normal playing time.

Ghost continues to make uniquely Gostisebeherian good plays in just about every game he plays, and rarely gets credit for them. He's still better than Provorov, and Provorov has started to play well.

Yup.

Like I said before, it's all about the dinosaur hockey mindset where being skilled gives you an automatic undeserved reputation for being bad defensively. There's a reason the people who are bashing Ghost are the same people who wanted Hakstol to stay.

He's been our best defensemen for years and some can't admit it.

 

[Rebels57]

Yup.

Like I said before, it's all about the dinosaur hockey mindset where being skilled gives you an automatic undeserved reputation for being bad defensively. There's a reason the people who are bashing Ghost are the same people who wanted Hakstol to stay.

He's been our best defensemen for years and some can't admit it.

I mean, years is a bit of an exaggeration. Provorov was clearly better in 16-17 after the first month or so when he got adjusted to the speed of the NHL.

He was our best in 15-16 by a wide margin and I would say by a very narrow margin over Provorov in 17-18.

This year, Sanheim and Gudas have been our best 2 defensemen. Provorov is rounding into form and was phenomenal last night. Ghost is still kind of fighting it this season. Still think injury could be a factor though. That combined with the MacDonald factor.[/QUOTE]

 

[GapToothedWonder]

THANK YOU. Almost all the turnovers and icings committed by the D involve them looking up ice and seeing no friendly faces anywhere close. Then we cuss out the D.

That's the hockey my beer leagues team plays. And as a defenceman its the biggest piss off ever haha.

 

[Rebels57]

That's the hockey my beer leagues team plays. And as a defenceman its the biggest piss off ever haha.

Yep. Whenever my beer league team slumps, its because the gap between forwards and defensemen is way too big on breakouts. We then focus on coming back and moving up with the defensemen and positive results usually follow.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Yep. Whenever my beer league team slumps, its because the gap between forwards and defensemen is way too big on breakouts. We then focus on coming back and moving up with the defensemen and positive results usually follow.

It's the most basic level of strategy in hockey. We are leading our division because we have a stupid amount of talent on our team, particularity on the back end we have really solid puckmovers for our league, but we would be so much better if not continuously looking for homerun passes. Usually once a game I intentionally ice a puck while pissed off looking at 3 forwards on the far blueline haha./rant