This is worse than the Flyers
Ive gotten used to it, but yeah -- its not great.
Worse than Flyers is probably a bit extreme, though.
This is worse than the Flyers
Their play is a direct result of the awful coaching.
They didn't just forgot how to hockey and suddenly become worse players than they were as rookies.
When so many players are playing poorly at the same time....you gotta figure the coaching staff is having a substantially negative impact here. The players get some blame too of course. But this many players playing badly at the same time? Eeek
When so many players are playing poorly at the same time....you gotta figure the coaching staff is having a substantially negative impact here. The players get some blame too of course. But this many players playing badly at the same time? Eeek
No one thought Farabee was soft. At all. Quite the opposite. His body just didn’t let him play the game like he wanted to.
Patrick is the sunk cost fallacy. The Flyers sunk a #2 overall pick into him, so people want to hang on. Well, guess what? That investment may keep going down. If he’s the difference between making a deal Fletcher likes happen or not happen, bye bye Nolan. Those players who you’re always hoping will turn the corner will kill you. They aren’t worth the aggravation. You can’t rely on them. And Patrick is injury prone, to boot. Best to not have that type on the roster. If he blossoms elsewhere, so be it.
This was the first game in years for which I just couldn’t bother. I didn’t tape it; I didn’t start watching and zone out or shut it off; I consciously chose to not watch a single second. And I am a masochist with my Flyers, even through all the lean years. I’m glad I was vindicated. I can watch a team lose games and be entertained and hopeful. The current — and assuredly future — organizational malaise simply broke me with the goings-on this week.
a lot of people thought farabee was soft and what your saying in regards to farabee's body can be said for frost as well. We have only seen him play like 30 games and we already want to trade him away. This is what kills organizations. Also, no one is even wanting Patrick, so trading him for picks or for a crap deal to get done is useless. He is a cheap asset and one that can turn into a decent one, why trade it away? We aren't talking about the core guys that you mentioned (tk, Myers) but two young players that haven't really made a dent in their careers yetNo one thought Farabee was soft. At all. Quite the opposite. His body just didn’t let him play the game like he wanted to.
Patrick is the sunk cost fallacy. The Flyers sunk a #2 overall pick into him, so people want to hang on. Well, guess what? That investment may keep going down. If he’s the difference between making a deal Fletcher likes happen or not happen, bye bye Nolan. Those players who you’re always hoping will turn the corner will kill you. They aren’t worth the aggravation. You can’t rely on them. And Patrick is injury prone, to boot. Best to not have that type on the roster. If he blossoms elsewhere, so be it.
he hasI'd say Farabee has excelled and gotten progressively better.
Patrick's value has actually sunk so far in my eyes that we might as well keep him (unless someone specifically wants to buy him) to see if he can raise it. He passed the "sunk cost" stage now. We are beyond that into something else. And if he can't raise his value (by being on the team or dealt from it), oh well, part ways. It's no difference at this point.
someone would prob give you a 5th-rounder and I'd take it. This is far too much time wasted on someone about whom the best you can say is "well he had a couple of sick hot streaks to finish the year with 30 points a couple times.'
wtf is the point of a 5th though? Makes absolutely zero sense to just trade a player who can possibly turn into a decent bottom 6 (at the min) for something that will turn into nothing (most likely)someone would prob give you a 5th-rounder and I'd take it. This is far too much time wasted on someone about whom the best you can say is "well he had a couple of sick hot streaks to finish the year with 30 points a couple times.'
I don't know that I'd jump at a 5th, because presently that 5th isn't gonna become anything better than Patrick.
But a 2nd? Oh yes. I don't know who would offer that though. A 3rd is probably aiming high, and that's a decent chance of producing something better too.
wtf is the point of a 5th though? Makes absolutely zero sense to just trade a player who can possibly turn into a decent bottom 6 (at the min) for something that will turn into nothing (most likely)
this is where the problem beginsyou realize this post concedes he's not a decent bottom 6 currently?
I don't recall reading one post suggesting Farabee was soft, and he plays an entirely different style than does Frost.a lot of people thought farabee was soft and what your saying in regards to farabee's body can be said for frost as well. We have only seen him play like 30 games and we already want to trade him away. This is what kills organizations. Also, no one is even wanting Patrick, so trading him for picks or for a crap deal to get done is useless. He is a cheap asset and one that can turn into a decent one, why trade it away? We aren't talking about the core guys that you mentioned (tk, Myers) but two young players that haven't really made a dent in their careers yet
I don't know that I'd jump at a 5th, because presently that 5th isn't gonna become anything better than Patrick.
But a 2nd? Oh yes. I don't know who would offer that though. A 3rd is probably aiming high, and that's a decent chance of producing something better too.
I don't want to pick on you, Reb, but I'll use your post as a general springboard about the "forgot how to play" statement. I just don't see the option as cut-and-dried as this. Of course there wasn't a Space Jam cursed puck that sucked up all of their skills, but it is evident that they are frequently lacking in basic hockey stuff like making and receiving passes. I noticed quite a few examples in last night's game of a pass going up the boards that the Flyer who was standing still awaiting it missed by the nearby Sabre handled efficiently. Hitting a moving teammate with a tape-to-tape pass is also so key to creating scoring opportunities, but how many passes are off the mark, especially where picked off by an opponent? And we see with regularity golden scoring opportunities wasted when a Flyer misses the net, even from close range. We also see this with Hart, who regularly stops shots in his sleep because of his innately great angle play, when he isn't in his own head. I'm willing to bet the farm that this is magnified by the players' frustration and desperation to turn things around, so the hockeying becomes so much more difficult.
wtf is the point of a 5th though? Makes absolutely zero sense to just trade a player who can possibly turn into a decent bottom 6 (at the min) for something that will turn into nothing (most likely)
When I travel back in time to the days of Dave Hakstol I see people putting the blame upon the coach, fourth liners and bottom pairing defensemen. Sounds familiar?
I remember that in my head the picture was a bit different because under Hakstol we only had very few good players and absolutely no goaltending at all.
Well, one thing for sure has changed. The middle of the lineup is better now and on paper we have more quality overall. On the other hand two of our three best players are not as great anymore as they used to be. Still good, but not great.
Our goaltending still stinks. With that save percentage it is impossible to blame it on the players alone.
So what does it mean? Was Dave Hakstol better than AV when he managed to get mediocre results out of a much worse squad? I‘m asking this because many people here who really had a lot to write how bad a coach Hakstol was are the same who now see AV as the source of failure.
Or are they both equally bad and our players simply not better than back then?