I've rooted for losses during the Hextall/Hakstol era so we could get better draft picks, this month has been the first time I actually hoped they lose so we can finally get rid of some people. What sucks is that I know they're going to get rid of people they shouldn't before they get rid of the ones they should, so it is a very helpless and shitty time to be a fan of the team.This was the first game in years for which I just couldn’t bother. I didn’t tape it; I didn’t start watching and zone out or shut it off; I consciously chose to not watch a single second. And I am a masochist with my Flyers, even through all the lean years. I’m glad I was vindicated. I can watch a team lose games and be entertained and hopeful. The current — and assuredly future — organizational malaise simply broke me with the goings-on this week.
At age 19-20, he was a 30-35 point break even possession center. He missed his age 21 season. Age 22 season, he has some of the worst luck in the league on a systematically putrid, flop of a team, as he returns after a long layoff. He hasn't any major injury where there's physical degradation.
We need to back off the ledge, I think. I'll gladly take the chance on him returning to his prior form, if not finding an additional gear, at the opportunity cost of a 2nd-3rd round pick. And I like my picks, and I'm not against aggressive evaluating. He's cheap, and he's controllable too. It's a shame we don't have the perspective of a season with Frost (Laczynski too?), but even then, it doesn't make Patrick a justifiable loss. He's not Curtis Lazar.
Having Patrick and Frost battle it out for 3C sounds like the perfect way to turn both of them and Lacz into nothing.
I'd commit to Frost, who has real pro offensive upside, play him 82 games with PP time and let him play through all. his struggles.
honest question: i know nothing of what Patrick was like in juniors, was he known as a hard worker?
I apologize for what will probably be an obnoxious-sounding post, but something I realized about sp0rts at an early age is that the ability of coaches/managers is not fixed. probably the best way to explain this is that, surely you can relate to a job that you care about and how effective you are at your job when you have a new boss, compared to 10 months later when you've realized he's a dumb f***ing idiot.
all coaches lose effectiveness over time, every single one, unless they retire on top. Hakstol was a terrible coach who had the benefit of prime Giroux/Voracek/Simmer and the boost of Ghost's best seasons. All of these guys were fully formed players who Hakstol had no part in developing. You can give him some credit for Couts if you want.
Hakstol was kept on 2+ years too long. After that guy anyone is going to improve the team. AV is roughly anyone.
You will never get a high enough pick for Patrick that you should even consider it. Fiddling with the rounds is pointless.
The only possible way it makes sense is him being Piece C or D in a win-now consolidation deal. Even then it's tricky because he makes nothing. Those cheap depth pieces with upside become important when you're capped out. Unless there's another team out there that wants to value him like a 2OA (and there isn't), you ride it out because it's the only reasonable option. You just have to pull back on your expecations.
I am officially deeming Patrick to be the Luke Schenn of 2nd Overall Centers.
It's official now.
You also eat snickers and ranch dressing together. Your opinion means nothing.
I'm putting both of you on Ignore before either of you tells me this wasn't a joke.
I am officially deeming Patrick to be the Luke Schenn of 2nd Overall Centers.
It's official now.
You also eat snickers and ranch dressing together. Your opinion means nothing.
Sigh...
Either people overrate our prospects here or most of them really haven't panned out to hopes (Sanheim, Myers, Morin, Rubstov, Frost, Patrick). All have value on ice but none of them have lived up to their ceilings so far.
Patrick was a better player at 17 than Frost at 18, then he had the groin injuries, surgeries the summer before the draft, surgery the summer of the draft - these were core injuries that take longer to rehab. So at 21, when he's physically mature and has 2 seasons under his belt, basically his brain went tilt.
I'd say it's a tad bit premature to write him off. He's cheap as pointed out above, can play center and RW, PK and PP. He's had some bad puck luck this year and his timing and stick work is off.
I hate Snickers. Snickers are trash. Snickers are the Luke Schenn of Overall Candy
Sorry, it's just Luke Schenn from top to bottom.
Did @Lord Defect hack your account or something? This is some next level defectiveness.
The only way chocolate is edible is if it's very black, minimally sweetened, zero milk, zero fluff.
How much did your parents pay Beefette to marry you?
what's your plan for Frost, Patrick, Laczy next year?
I prefer the "Cool Jerks"
Put 'em in the Thunderdome and let 'em thrash it out.
Frost can play LW or C, Patrick C or RW, Laczynski is also a C, RW candidate.
So their play will dictate their fate.
I think Frost will end up the 3C, Patrick and Laczynski 4C and 4RW (in either order) to start the season.
If Wisdom is ready next season, we could have a heck of a 4th line that could play 11-12 minutes a night, rotating all four lines.
Does anyone think Patrick is better than Wisdom right now?